no bullet in chamber, deadly force is murder

[philip964]

There is a US diplomat in Pakistan right now being held in jail for murdering two men, who tried to rob him.
There are pictures of thousands of people (like you saw in Egypt) demanding he be hanged for his crime.

I guess people in Pakistan get really upset when street robbers are killed, I guess its kind of like when robbers are injured breaking into your shed in England. That or American's have few friends in Pakistan.

Apparently the street robbers had a gun but!!!!

"Pakistani police officials have said they plan to try him for murder, arguing that while the Pakistanis did have a loaded gun, there was no round in the chamber, and saying Davis shot one man as he was trying to flee."

Since he is a diplomat and has diplomatic immunity he should be released regardless, as that's what happens when a drunk diplomat kills a motorist in Washington DC.

But the use of deadly force being murder when the armed robber does not have a bullet in the chamber was a new argument to me.

[E.Marquez]

But the use of deadly force being murder when the armed robber does not have a bullet in the chamber was a new argument to me.

Not IN PAK

[Texas Dan Mosby]

I guess people in Pakistan get really upset when street robbers are killed

Not really....

Only when it's an American that happens to be the one who is responsible.

I would imagine that there will be bus loads of "Pakistanis" from the NWFP showing up to demand this dudes' head.

[ELB]

What actually happened during that incident will have little bearing on how this plays out. This is pretty much all political theater now.

[PappaGun]

Sometimes I think that law enforcement in this part of the country can bend an infraction to generate revenue or make a quota or whatever.

That's peanuts next to how the laws (if they can even be called that) are interpreted and implied in that part of the world.

They don't care about anything but proving a point and who is the biggest dog with the biggest bite.

Laws there are applied for political reasons more than anything else and make Bubba the Small Town Cop look like a puppy dog

begging for scraps.

[gigag04]

Sometimes I think that law enforcement in this part of the country can bend an infraction to generate revenue or make a quota or whatever.

OT, but examples?

[PappaGun]

Sometimes I think that law enforcement in this part of the country can bend an infraction to generate revenue or make a quota or whatever.

OT, but examples?

Sorry Gigag04.
I was being more tongue in cheek than anything else. Not effectively it
looks like.
What I was attempting to say is that, as some LEOs have said on this forum, if you can't find an infraction in a short amount if time, you're not doing your job.
Life should be so easy for those in the Middle East, both law enforcement and the citizenry.
When they can worry about such simple things, they will know they have succeeded.

[RoyGBiv]

What actually happened during that incident will have little bearing on how this plays out. This is pretty much all political theater now.

I read in a FoxNews piece (I believe it was Fox, can't find it) that the accused was a former Special Forces soldier (not sure which branch, Army, IIRC)...

Sorry to sound like Ian Flemming, but, a former SF soldier under Embassy cover in PAK, running around town armed, involved in a street "incident"... The stuff spy novels are made of for sure.

That said.... Safe to assume he was there working for our safety. Let's be sure to bring him home, safely, sooner than later.

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According to records from the Pentagon, the 36-year-old Davis is a former Special Forces soldier who left the army in August 2003 after 10 years of service. A Virginia native, he served with infantry divisions prior to joining the 3rd Special Forces Group in Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

In 1994, he was part of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Macedonia. His record includes several awards and medals, including for good conduct.

Public records also show Davis runs a company with his wife registered in Las Vegas called Hyperion Protective Services, though it was not immediately clear whether the company has had many contracts with the U.S. government.

The U.S. Embassy says he has a diplomatic passport and a visa valid through June 2012.

[Big Tuna]

We should cut off all aid to Pakistan for a number of years equal to the number of hours he is detained.

[gigag04]

My father "left" SF [10th SFG(a)] in the early 80s and worked for HP running european operations....while simultaneously being picked up by the DOD to do industrial espionage on the Russians (we spent 6 years in Moscow growing up - I had no idea...). I'm willing to bet this guy was doing SOMETHING. And he will be back home soon. I'm sure officially the cover organization cut all ties, but SOCOM doesn't leave their own behind, even if their mission is of the black variety.

[E.Marquez]

We should cut off all aid to Pakistan for a number of years equal to the number of hours he is detained.

You do know.... most of our support goods, fuel, US cargo transshipped comes though PAK.. YES? Your idea, just besieged US Solders, no fuel for Helos, MRAPS, GEN SETS, No Food, No repair parts, no new equipment.

Often from the safety and security of ones computer an idea sounds great, but in reality is not advisable. I don't like that reality, but I acknowledge it's realism, and work with it. Google Torkham gate ...

[Beiruty]

Just curious, when a Diplomat commits a crime such as Murder or "ordered liquidation" How justice is served? I am not singling this incident just wanted to know how this issue is handled.

[rm9792]

They can be declared Persona Non Grata and sent home. The home country may or may not do anything. Diplomats have money and connections so I imagine it is all swept away.

[atticus]

+1 what ELB said - it's in the realm of political theater now. Speaking of political theater, the U. S. is going to condemn Israel in the U. N. Security Council now, Obama is stirring the pot by calling the Wisconsin governor a union assaulter, and the Democrats are trying to set up the Republicans to blame for shutting down the Federal Government. I'd prefer to watch baseball or football than to see these fools manuever. I say stock up on your ammunition and stay safe. It promises to be a wild ride for the next couple of years.

[Ameer]

They can be declared Persona Non Grata and sent home. The home country may or may not do anything. Diplomats have money and connections so I imagine it is all swept away.

The Diplomat can waive immunity and go to trial. Unlikely, but it's a possibility. I think the Diplomat's government can also give their consent to prosecuting the diplomat but that's pretty unlikely too.