TxSt police chief concerned about handguns on campuses

[RPB]

TxSt police chief concerned about handguns on campuses
March 13, 2011
By Anita Miller News Editor

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[Charles L. Cotton]

The campus COP/Chief should lose his badge and his TCLEOSE license. He's very close to the Rice University Chief who said his men would shoot anyone with a gun. These men are not fit to be COPs and are as equally dangerous as any mass murder who may walk onto a campus. They are telling us innocent people are going to be shot because "my officers don't have time." That's absurd.

Chas.

[Excaliber]

The sheer volume of highly imaginative lunacy that is spewed by folks who should know better in this debate is truly astonishing.

The issue here is simple risk management. The factors that are evaluated in assessing any risk are severity, frequency, and likelihood. The method for evaluating mitigation measures involves looking at costs, benefits, and effectiveness. When these are applied in a rational fashion to the risk of violence on campus, the wisdom of allowing concealed carry there is obvious.

The saddest part is that so many people take whatever imagined scenario any fool can come up with as if it were a serious threat, with no regard for the fact that the person who brings it up can't cite a single instance where it has ever happened anywhere.

The fact that these people are terrified that they might be saved from imminent death by someone who is prepared to deal with that situation and would prefer instead to be executed in an orderly and efficient fashion by any maniac who wants to engage in that behavior should be grounds for commitment. Instead it appears to be a prerequisite for attending college at some institutions. It should be no wonder that these same folks cause immense damage when they take their thinking skills into business or politics.

No rational argument will stop the logically challenged from wetting themselves over the thought of armed good people on campus. However, they will always wet themselves over whatever boogeyman they're being manipulated with by the leftstream press at the time. No amount of good information will help them to stop because they're incapable of rational assessment, so it's hard to get too excited over that.

[PappaGun]

A quote from the article:

"...obstruction of the learning process."

That's a new one. Good luck chief.

The article is so full of inaccuracies as so many are.
The chief is another fear monger.

"Meyer said while he’s not against concealed weapons in general, he doesn’t believe they belong on campus."
They already are. They are not in the buildings.

"For Susan Hanson, a lecturer in the Texas State Department of English and former Daily Record staffer, the objection is more visceral."
Who cares about your visceral feelings. How about some facts.

“If it passes, we’ll work within the law and make it work,” Meyer said.
Well la tee da.
You'd better make it work.
It'll be the law.

[hirundo82]

The campus COP/Chief should lose his badge and his TCLEOSE license. He's very close to the Rice University Chief who said his men would shoot anyone with a gun. These men are not fit to be COPs and are as equally dangerous as any mass murder who may walk onto a campus. They are telling us innocent people are going to be shot because "my officers don't have time." That's absurd.

Chas.

Ah yes, the "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" school of policing. I remember the Rice police chief testifying to that in 2009.

Interesting that there aren't frequent shootings of CHL holders by police in the 99.999% of the state where we can carry. Maybe the campus police chiefs need to send their officers for remedial training if they don't think they can do as well as most other officers.

[jordanmills]

If that incident is reported “we have to shut down the whole university looking for a person with a gun.”

“Whether it’s a report of shots fired or whatever, my officers don’t have time to ask questions — whether someone is a concealed holder or not — a good guy or a bad guy.”

Sounds like this guy is threating to disrupt the learning process and put kids lives at risk because he doesn't like the law. That is a SERIOUS red flag that needs to be considered with regard to his continued employment.

It’s against Texas law for guns that are supposed to be concealed to show, whether by accident or design.

The above is a flat out lie. That gives serious doubt to the credibility of anything else this reporter says.

For Susan Hanson, a lecturer in the Texas State Department of English and former Daily Record staffer, the objection is more visceral. When she thinks of the possibilities of guns on campus, her thoughts go back to a student, a big guy, who stood outside her office “at the end of a short, dim hall” and, upset with a grade looked at her with “hatred in his eyes,” she wrote in a letter published recently in the University Star.

A counterproductive emotional outburst. Is the point of this to illustrate that she's terrified of simple conflict and thus unsuitable for any position of leadership, or that she wants to deny a potentially life-saving method of self defense to her colleagues? Does Ms Hanson want to see her fellow lecturers murdered?

[baldeagle]

Excalibur, don't take this the wrong way, but I love you man.

This is an opinion piece masquerading as a news story so they don't have to deal with the commenters.

What Charles said is true. The police chief should step down now.

[flintknapper]

If Campus Carry passes...there is something I would like to see happen.

After an appropriate period of time (no issues, events, accidents), I'd like to see a concerted effort made to "Call Out" these folks (fear mongers) in a very public way. I don't mean in a such a fashion that we appear to be gloating, but rather as a demonstrative rebuttal to their past claims and fears.

And I mean REALLY keep the pressure up. The public needs to see and hear this...and we should not be timid about exposing it.

[RPB]

If Campus Carry passes...there is something I would like to see happen.

After an appropriate period of time (no issues, events, accidents), I'd like to see a concerted effort made to "Call Out" these folks (fear mongers) in a very public way. I don't mean in a such a fashion that we appear to be gloating, but rather as a demonstrative rebuttal to their past claims and fears.

And I mean REALLY keep the pressure up. The public needs to see and hear this...and we should not be timid about exposing it.

What I'd like to see is a "Tactical Move" now.

Where all States with "Pro-self-defense on campus" bills get together and all decide to have hearings on the same day and the Brady crowd can't get to them all.

Colin Goddard pays no taxes in Texas ...

[Shoot Straight]

He can quickly and easily reduce the number of guns on campus by prohibiting his employees from carrying, and firing those who violate his department policy.

[hirundo82]

For Susan Hanson, a lecturer in the Texas State Department of English and former Daily Record staffer, the objection is more visceral. When she thinks of the possibilities of guns on campus, her thoughts go back to a student, a big guy, who stood outside her office “at the end of a short, dim hall” and, upset with a grade looked at her with “hatred in his eyes,” she wrote in a letter published recently in the University Star.

Boy, it's a good thing he didn't attack her. She could have been seriously hurt by someone so much stronger than her. I vaguely recall some device that lets people defend themselves from a physically stronger individual, or even several of them. Buns? Nuns? Puns? I can't remember the name of that thingy for the life of me--someone help me out.

[TexasFlash]

as a counterpoint to the elitist University police chief, the comments from the City of San Marcos' police chief, Howard Williams...

“I don’t see any magic in being on a college campus that just automatically makes you safer........There seems to be a certain sanctity to a campus, but they had that same feeling at Virginia Tech and at about 20 other colleges,” he said. “There is no magic fence around our campus.”

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FWIW
Dave

[Oldgringo]

Should campus carry pass, students and their benefactors will have to decide who gets their business the same as the rest of us do vis-a-vis 30.06 signs.

[NorthTexas]

The campus COP/Chief should lose his badge and his TCLEOSE license. He's very close to the Rice University Chief who said his men would shoot anyone with a gun. These men are not fit to be COPs and are as equally dangerous as any mass murder who may walk onto a campus. They are telling us innocent people are going to be shot because "my officers don't have time." That's absurd.

Chas.

As I mentioned in another thread, several years ago at the Appalachian School of Law two off-duty plain-clothes LEOs who happened to be students retrieved guns from their cars after hearing shots fired on campus. I wonder whether the Rice and TxSt Chiefs have considered that their "shoot on sight" policy might kill another LEO.

[NorthTexas]

It’s against Texas law for guns that are supposed to be concealed to show, whether by accident or design.

The above is a flat out lie. That gives serious doubt to the credibility of anything else this reporter says.

Unfortunately, a UNT Police Captain (who is also a Texas CHL instructor and should know better) told the same lie last month to a group of UNT faculty, staff, and students at an info session called "What would you do if shots were fired on campus?". I wanted to speak up, but it definitely felt like a hostile environment for pro-CHLers - there were two large (TV news style, but UNT owned & operated) video cameras ostensibly recording the event, but both of them were actually recording the audience about 80% of the time (even when university officials were speaking).