30.06 wording

Jasonw560 · Post by **Jasonw560** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:07 am

There's a phrase in the wording that says "contrasting colors". It drives me crazy when people say it must be black on white. From what I remember from art class, it can be any combination like green/red, blue/orange, yellow/purple...any lettering that stands out and is clearly visible against the background.

So, if you see red or white letters on glass, I would consider that to be contrasting, and compliant as long as the verbiage is correct and the letters are at least one inch high.

speedsix · Post by **speedsix** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:08 am

...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...

Post by **Keith B** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:36 am

speedsix wrote:...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...

No case law, so wouldn't want to push the issue of the clear glass. I would say if you can see the letters on the glass and they show up in a photo that would be used in your court case, you better not pass it.

speedsix · Post by **speedsix** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:45 am

...the ones I've seen. no matter the color...are legible at one angle...not at all at others...

are to be followed by BOTH the CHL owner and the poster...that's the whole idea...and a judge will end up deciding

...someday...
I'll give you that tinted glass would qualify...

...an expert opinion...
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/20 ... .Ph.r.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jasonw560 · Post by **Jasonw560** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:16 am

Crud. I can't call it my favorite color anymore.

But, IMHO, if it's plainly visible, then with the right verbiage and size, it's legal.

jordanmills · Post by **jordanmills** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:30 am

Keith B wrote:
speedsix wrote:...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...
No case law, so wouldn't want to push the issue of the clear glass. I would say if you can see the letters on the glass and they show up in a photo that would be used in your court case, you better not pass it.

Same. If I were sitting on a bench, the answer would be clear to me. But I'm not interested in being a test case.

alvins · Post by **alvins** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:06 am

i find it hard to read the sign when they are directly on the glass; and if the glass has a mirror type window tint and somthing like black or silver lettering.

WildBill · Post by **WildBill** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:23 am

Keith B wrote:
speedsix wrote:...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...
No case law, so wouldn't want to push the issue of the clear glass. I would say if you can see the letters on the glass and they show up in a photo that would be used in your court case, you better not pass it.

Some would argue that black is the absence of color.

Maybe this is a question for ROYGBIV.

puma guy · Post by **puma guy** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:30 am

speedsix wrote:...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...

speedsix wrote:...the ones I've seen. no matter the color...are legible at one angle...not at all at others... are to be followed by BOTH the CHL owner and the poster...that's the whole idea...and a judge will end up deciding ...someday...
I'll give you that tinted glass would qualify...

...an expert opinion...
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/20 ... .Ph.r.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I agree. While I wouldn't want to be the test case, I can't really see a clear background holding up in court. Color is the absorption and reflection of light and as the link states there is no color in a transparent substance. Clear glass has no color obviously, tinted has a substance introduced that adds color so tinted glass would probably qualify. But I think the lettering would have to be on the outside surface. Just because it shows up in a photo wording on clear glass doesn't meet the legal requirement of a contrasting color. I've see many of these applications on the inside of a pane of glass and are nearly impossible to see unless you get at the correct angle due to light reflected by the glass. I believe there are requirements for traffic signage to meet certain requirements. If the language on a stop sign was on clear glass would that be legally enforcable?

speedsix · Post by **speedsix** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:30 am

...the pigment it takes to make black'd change that point of view...it's a loooooooooot!!!

...re: the stop sign...if the legislature had written into law the requirements for a stop sign...it'd have to meet them...that's the criteria...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign#In_North_America" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; according to this...the red background is law in the US now...though I've seen the black on yellow pictured in Waskom, Tx back in the 60s...looked strange even then...

rmr1923 · Post by **rmr1923** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:28 pm

WildBill wrote:
Keith B wrote:
speedsix wrote:...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...
No case law, so wouldn't want to push the issue of the clear glass. I would say if you can see the letters on the glass and they show up in a photo that would be used in your court case, you better not pass it.
Some would argue that black is the absence of color.

Maybe this is a question for ROYGBIV.

i thought white was the absence of color, and black was the absence of light.. maybe i'm mistaken

alvins · Post by **alvins** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:19 pm

rmr1923 wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Keith B wrote:
speedsix wrote:...clear is not a color, and just one color on glass doesn't fulfill the law...and isn't clearly visible...other than that...yer right...
No case law, so wouldn't want to push the issue of the clear glass. I would say if you can see the letters on the glass and they show up in a photo that would be used in your court case, you better not pass it.
Some would argue that black is the absence of color.

Maybe this is a question for ROYGBIV.
i thought white was the absence of color, and black was the absence of light.. maybe i'm mistaken

pigment and light(photons) are not the same

Bullwhip · Post by **Bullwhip** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:59 pm

Jasonw560 wrote:There's a phrase in the wording that says "contrasting colors". It drives me crazy when people say it must be black on white.

What about people who say its an "illegal sign"?

It might not be valid but that don't make it against the law.

pcgizzmo · Post by **pcgizzmo** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:45 am

If it's the correct verbage and size but not exactly what you might call contrasting colors they are probably following the spirit of the law if not the letter and I wouldn't risk giving up your CHL over it. In fact if it's proper 30.06 verbage but not the right size I'd still follow it. It's not worth the ride.

speedsix · Post by **speedsix** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:54 am

...if they haven't followed the law in posting properly, you haven't broken any law...hence, no ride...that's the whole intent of the 30.06 LAW...to give us, the CHL people, protection against arbitrary arrest...just like the stop sign law...if you follow it closely...you have nothing to fear...a judge doesn't buy our bumping the brake at a stop sign in the spirit of the law...we either do it as law prescribes or have broken the law...

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