The Virginia Tech Review Panel Report

[Shoot Straight]

The opponents of good guys carrying on campus (we know the bad guys already carry) mentioned the Virginia Tech Review Panel Report several times. It's interesting to logically consider what the so-called experts wrote.

CHAPTER VI. GUN PURCHASE AND CAMPUS POLICIES

"Virginia Tech, with approval of the state Attorney
General’s Office, had banned guns from campus
altogether."

That didn't stop Cho. In fact, it only ensured his victims were denied one of the most effective methods of fighting back.

The logical conclusion is John Woods and his fellow travelers want to keep the current laws prohibiting legal concealed carry in Texas universities to ensure victims are unarmed, so criminals and the criminally insane can do their thing without resistance.

"The
campus police said that the probability would
have been high that anyone emerging from a
classroom at Norris Hall holding a gun would
have been shot."

Maybe. Eventually. On the other hand, the police didn't shoot Cho.

Seung Hui Cho had free reign in Norris Hall for more than ten minutes, and police didn't find him until half an hour after his first murder in Norris Hall. Also, his murders in Norris Hall started more than two hours after his first murder of that day.

Even if the campus police are correct, that only means a CHL shouldn't draw their handgun and go chasing a bad guy. Take a defensive position and force the bad guy to come through the fatal funnel to reach you. Use cover and concealment. Unless it's a bottom tier school, I assume a CHL on campus is as smart as a CHL in a Home Depot, Starbucks, Chucky Cheese, or any other places a CHL can carry now.

[A-R]

Unless it's a bottom tier school, I assume a CHL on campus is as smart as a CHL in a Home Depot, Starbucks, Chucky Cheese, or any other places a CHL can carry now.

I dunno, John Woods went to Va. Tech and now goes to UT and I've met three year olds stuck in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese who are smarter than him

[Jasonw560]

Unless it's a bottom tier school, I assume a CHL on campus is as smart as a CHL in a Home Depot, Starbucks, Chucky Cheese, or any other places a CHL can carry now.

I dunno, John Woods went to Va. Tech and now goes to UT and I've met three year olds stuck in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese who are smarter than him

I wonder sometimes how him and others like him are able to tie their shoes...

[VMI77]

The opponents of good guys carrying on campus (we know the bad guys already carry) mentioned the Virginia Tech Review Panel Report several times. It's interesting to logically consider what the so-called experts wrote.

CHAPTER VI. GUN PURCHASE AND CAMPUS POLICIES

"Virginia Tech, with approval of the state Attorney
General’s Office, had banned guns from campus
altogether."

That didn't stop Cho. In fact, it only ensured his victims were denied one of the most effective methods of fighting back.

The logical conclusion is John Woods and his fellow travelers want to keep the current laws prohibiting legal concealed carry in Texas universities to ensure victims are unarmed, so criminals and the criminally insane can do their thing without resistance.

"The
campus police said that the probability would
have been high that anyone emerging from a
classroom at Norris Hall holding a gun would
have been shot."

Maybe. Eventually. On the other hand, the police didn't shoot Cho.

Seung Hui Cho had free reign in Norris Hall for more than ten minutes, and police didn't find him until half an hour after his first murder in Norris Hall. Also, his murders in Norris Hall started more than two hours after his first murder of that day.

Even if the campus police are correct, that only means a CHL shouldn't draw their handgun and go chasing a bad guy. Take a defensive position and force the bad guy to come through the fatal funnel to reach you. Use cover and concealment. Unless it's a bottom tier school, I assume a CHL on campus is as smart as a CHL in a Home Depot, Starbucks, Chucky Cheese, or any other places a CHL can carry now.

There's no logic or mystery here. They started from the conclusions they wanted and worked backwards. There was no way an official report on this was ever going to endorse people defending themselves or carrying guns.

[hirundo82]

I dunno, John Woods went to Va. Tech and now goes to UT and I've met three year olds stuck in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese who are smarter than him

Let me put it this way--people in Virginia make Hokie (Virginia Tech) jokes the same way people in Texas make Aggie jokes.

[tacticool]

I dunno, John Woods went to Va. Tech and now goes to UT and I've met three year olds stuck in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese who are smarter than him

Let me put it this way--people in Virginia make Hokie (Virginia Tech) jokes the same way people in Texas make Aggie jokes.

After watching some of the hearing, maybe Texans should be making Longhorn jokes instead.

[RHenriksen]

I dunno, John Woods went to Va. Tech and now goes to UT and I've met three year olds stuck in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese who are smarter than him

Let me put it this way--people in Virginia make Hokie (Virginia Tech) jokes the same way people in Texas make Aggie jokes.

After watching some of the hearing, maybe Texans should be making Longhorn jokes instead.

SCORE!!!! (And I'm not even an Aggie )

[GEM-Texas]

VT is and was scrambling to cover their butts as they totally dropped the ball on dealing with Cho. Despite clear warning signs they did nothing. They dropped the ball again on another student who killed himself after the Cho incident. By throwing out antigun rhetoric they obfuscate their failures.

There's a good book by the English Chair of Dept. who dealt with Cho. She lays out the failure. No Right to Remain Silent - http://www.amazon.com/No-Right-Remain-S ... 0307409635" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While not a gun person, she clearly states she understands why some folks support campus carry and indicates most campuses have done little in prevention. The Tucson community college was on the ball with Loughner but he then acted off campus.

The bottom line is that if a critical incident happens only immediate action can prevent the initial massacre. The best response time is after a wave of killings. The VT actual response to Cho shootings (not the first one in the dorms) was actually very fast but too late to save the victims. Cho killed himself as the police arrived.

[tacticool]

I dunno, John Woods went to Va. Tech and now goes to UT and I've met three year olds stuck in the ball pit at Chucky Cheese who are smarter than him

Let me put it this way--people in Virginia make Hokie (Virginia Tech) jokes the same way people in Texas make Aggie jokes.

After watching some of the hearing, maybe Texans should be making Longhorn jokes instead.

After listening to Senator Ogden, I take that back.