AZ: Jan Brewer vetos carry on college campus grounds

[artx]

Brewer veto'd a bill that would have allowed carry on the grounds, streets etc of a college campus (basically what we have in Texas today, but their law didn't cover concealed/unconcealed since AZ is an open carry state). Disappointing to say the least. Brewer has signed the update to AZ law that no longer requires a CHL for concealed carry in AZ (great!) but why did she bend on this?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04 ... -campuses/

[baldeagle]

Clearly the anti-gun lobby still wields a lot of power.

[fulano]

She also vetoed the "birther bill".

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/rep ... wer_vetoes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Go figure.

[Aggie_engr]

What a backhand to the face, especially after passing the constitutional carry measure and all... What gives, governor brewer?

Edited to add, since i did a little research to try to find her reason why.

"This bill was very sloppily written and drafted, and I believe when it affects not only our education system, all the way from K-12 all the way through the university, and we can't even find out a definition, what is a right of way? It just wasn't defined to be able to tell the courts or the policeman how they are going to enforce a law like that," Governor Brewer told us. (Fox News)

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/20 ... -bill.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The governor said she generally supports expansion of where people can carry their weapons. But she said this measure was badly flawed.
If nothing else, Brewer said the measure never actually defines what are the "public rights of way'' where weapons would be allowed.

And the governor has signed every piece of legislation expanding who can carry guns and where, including a measure last year to permit anyone to have a concealed weapon, with or without a background check and special training.
The governor said this proposal, however, was just too much to accept.

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/articl ... 002e0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[artx]

I was reading on the AZ hometown forum that she may have vetoed it due to sloppy bill writing and not concept, this article was cited:

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/po ... -4-18-2011

[fulano]

I was reading on the AZ hometown forum that she may have vetoed it due to sloppy bill writing and not concept........[/url]

Normally the Executive will give the legislature a heads-up if they are crafting a bill that is unacceptable. There is no press coverage that I've found wherein the Governor gives advanced warning that the bills were not to her liking.

I think she got cold-feet on all three bills; the Campus Carry, the Birther Bill, and the Federal Healthcare Smack-down.

Remember that she was in an election fight last year and could have pandered in order to have a large enough base to win the seat she had been appointed to.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

[WildBill]

Doesn't the Arizona legislature have the right to over ride a veto? From the votes, it seems that they have a 2/3 majority.

[fulano]

Doesn't the Arizona legislature have the right to over ride a veto? From the votes, it seems that they have a 2/3 majority.

Sounds like that's being kicked around. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=288845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[WildBill]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

What is your take on this?

[artx]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

To this layman, seems well written and not a "it's for the children" reaction at all. Also, sounds like she is open to campus carry with CHL (optional now in AZ).

[baldeagle]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

To this layman, seems well written and not a "it's for the children" reaction at all. Also, sounds like she is open to campus carry with CHL (optional now in AZ).

What bothers me is that she would wait until the bill passed and then publicly rebuke the legislature for passing a poorly written bill. I find it hard to believe that she wasn't aware of the wording of the bill before it passed. If she had problems with it, she should have raised them within the context of the legislative process rather than insulting the legislature publicly.

[fulano]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

To this layman, seems well written and not a "it's for the children" reaction at all. Also, sounds like she is open to campus carry with CHL (optional now in AZ).

What bothers me is that she would wait until the bill passed and then publicly rebuke the legislature for passing a poorly written bill. I find it hard to believe that she wasn't aware of the wording of the bill before it passed. If she had problems with it, she should have raised them within the context of the legislative process rather than insulting the legislature publicly.

She vetoed 3 bills that were wanted by conservative. She got cold feet.

Also, she could have been pandering to collect a big enough base to get elected last year. Remember that she was appointed as governor after Napoliano left in '08

[TDDude]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

I only read her letter and not the actual bill but assuming that what's in the letter is true, it really is a bad bill. Leaving basic definitions open to court interpretation is a recipe for disaster. The interpretation of a "public right of way" can range anywhere from the main road outside the campus walls to the public restroom next to the on-campus day care. Contradicting federal law is also probably not a good idea. Even to an old illiterate redneck slob like me, this legislation seems to smell.

AND BESIDES, assuming that the definitions were in there, legally carrying on a college campus sidewalk without being able to also carry into the classroom is crazy. Is the campus going to set up gun lockers at the entrance to all the buildings like bike racks?

I can hear it now:
"Step right up folks!! Store your pistol here for only $1.00 a day!!"
"Low Cost Locker plans available"

And the debate rages on…..

[Charles L. Cotton]

Gov. Brewer's veto letter is attached. Note the part about not defining "public-right-of-way" and letting the courts decide.

Chas.

To this layman, seems well written and not a "it's for the children" reaction at all. Also, sounds like she is open to campus carry with CHL (optional now in AZ).

I don't know if she is just making an excuse to veto the bill, or if she really supports campus-carry. I agree that her letter is clear evidence that she wants it to apply only to licensees.

If her letter is correct about the lack of a definition of a controlling phrase (public-right-of-way), then that was a potential problem for people carrying on campus.

Chas.