30.06 Sign

[Winchster]

Let me try to explain my sentence structure another way. Six, let's ask one of our LEO's on the forum what they would do in the school door case.
In my mind if I was a smart Alec about not "technically" violating the law I would be behaving as a jerk. If I was behaving that way then I could very well be arrested. If you honestly don't believe you can be arrested for being a smart aleck then try this, the next time you see a Trooper drive absolutely correctly and show him a finger. I'm willing to bet you get put in cuffs. I guess what I should have said originally to make my beliefs better known was the following..
Personally, I take my business elsewhere. To me personally it isn't worth doin business with people that don't like freedom.

[Winchster]

One last thing. To anyone on this forum that felt I called them a jerk. I apologize. While we don't agree on a great many things we all are here because of a common interest. I will take greater care in my sentence structure. Sometimes I type a lot slower than my thought process.

[sugar land dave]

I'll honestly admit that I also misunderstood you, but I thank you for your apology and I agree in our shared common interest.

[speedsix]

...I've got utmost confidence in our current LEOs here and most of them on the street are equally well aware of the law...that's why we don't see stories of false arrest and lawsuits...
...I agree a bad attitude will getcha in a world of hurt...and hit with everything possible...where a good attitude gets a lot of forgiveness and warnings instead of paperwork or jewelry...that's the way it always was with me...I'd tell 'em the ticket was for the redlight they ran...they got it because of their mouth...I cut loose a WHOOOOOOOOOOOOLE lot more than I wrote...
...as to showing a trooper the finger...might wanna read PC42.01(a)(2)...ain't no maybe...
...fire's out...grass'll grow back...have a pleasant evening...

...p.s....MY sentence structure's ALWAYS bad...

[sugar land dave]

speedsix,

Before I was in service to the government, I respected LEO's. I understood that it took something extra to do their job each day. They will never get a bad time from me.

[speedsix]

...I'm an ooooooold ex-cop...and I love the badge and those who wear it to serve proudly...I give them respect, admiration, love and any kind of support I can...but most of us have seen the ones who either misuse the badge or don't treat it like it's special...and that kind I don't respect...and I'll give 'em fits...I was a training officer and I taught mine to treat a man with respect even as you arrested him...still feel that way...I can't conceive of being an LEO today with the way politics is...it's much harder than the 70s...we did what worked then...and most people supported us...today...not so much...we shouldn't miss a chance to thank a good'un...and watch out for them that aren't!!! they'll getcha if you're not careful...

[wgoforth]

...I'm an ooooooold ex-cop...and I love the badge and those who wear it to serve proudly...I give them respect, admiration, love and any kind of support I can...but most of us have seen the ones who either misuse the badge or don't treat it like it's special...and that kind I don't respect...and I'll give 'em fits...I was a training officer and I taught mine to treat a man with respect even as you arrested him...still feel that way...I can't conceive of being an LEO today with the way politics is...it's much harder than the 70s...we did what worked then...and most people supported us...today...not so much...we shouldn't miss a chance to thank a good'un...and watch out for them that aren't!!! they'll getcha if you're not careful...

A problem is that we specialize in the CHL laws.. we know them (or should) backwards and forwards... LEO's have SO many laws to deal with, they can't know the intricacies and exceptions to every one.

[WildBill]

Give over, go somewhere else to do your business. How would you feel if your "no solicting" sign was ignored on a daily basis because it was misspelled? It's your property and the intent is crystal clear.

That is the whole point of having the law that defines the legal requirements of the 30.06 sign. The "no soliciting" sign doesn't have the same legal status. It does not matter of how you "feel" about a 30.06 sign or what you think of it's intent, it's a matter of the letter of the law. If you feel that a non-compliant 30.06 sign or "gun buster" sign offends you in some way, then you are free to do as you please. I prefer to obey the law and not try to read the mind or guess the intentions of the poster.

[WildBill]

A problem is that we specialize in the CHL laws.. we know them (or should) backwards and forwards... LEO's have SO many laws to deal with, they can't know the intricacies and exceptions to every one.

There are thousands of laws on the books and no one can be expected to know them all. Except wgoforth.

[Winchster]

That is the whole point of having the law that defines the legal requirements of the 30.06 sign. The "no soliciting" sign doesn't have the same legal status. It does not matter of how you "feel" about a 30.06 sign or what you think of it's intent, it's a matter of the letter of the law. If you feel that a non-compliant 30.06 sign or "gun buster" sign offends you in some way, then you are free to do as you please. I prefer to obey the law and not try to read the mind or guess the intentions of the poster.

I ignore gun buster signs. I don't do business with any attempt at 30.06 I have better things to do than check the height of the letters, and I will take my business elsewhere. I don't believe I'm trying to read the mind or guess the intention of someone that has posted a 30.06 If they are simply posting a gun buster, or a no firearms allowed sign, then I simply ignore it.

[wgoforth]

That is the whole point of having the law that defines the legal requirements of the 30.06 sign. The "no soliciting" sign doesn't have the same legal status. It does not matter of how you "feel" about a 30.06 sign or what you think of it's intent, it's a matter of the letter of the law. If you feel that a non-compliant 30.06 sign or "gun buster" sign offends you in some way, then you are free to do as you please. I prefer to obey the law and not try to read the mind or guess the intentions of the poster.

I ignore gun buster signs. I don't do business with any attempt at 30.06 I have better things to do than check the height of the letters, and I will take my business elsewhere. I don't believe I'm trying to read the mind or guess the intention of someone that has posted a 30.06 If they are simply posting a gun buster, or a no firearms allowed sign, then I simply ignore it.

I still don't know his intent with a near miss 30.06.... for all I know he is trying to satisfy the sheeple and the insurance, and give a wink to CHL-ers who know better.

[Winchster]

OK, I understand that. If that's what works for you, then go for it. Like I said, I see the 30.06 and, without even bothering to check it's validity I seek an alternative place to spend my hard earned money. I figure if the place caters to the sheep, then let the sheep shop there. Not me.

[srothstein]

...as to showing a trooper the finger...might wanna read PC42.01(a)(2)...ain't no maybe...

Thanks for posting this. I was going to when I read that post but you beat me to it. One of the officers I used to work with proved this case all the way to the Court of Criminal Appeals (John Pastrano, was a Caldwell County Deputy when he wrote this ticket). Someone did exactly this to him while he was driving home. He had them stopped and wrote the ticket and report. The courts upheld his being the offended party (which is contrary to a lot of officer's beliefs) but he lost at the CCA. He forgot the second element and did not include in the report that it tended to provoke him to an immediate breach of the peace but his training as a peace officer allowed him to keep control and prevent the breach. Hard to believe someone fought a class C misdemeanor ticket that far, with no other charges involved, but they did.

[speedsix]

...what goes around comes around...someone so full of inner turmoil as to flip someone off in traffic will end up stepping in it...just a matter of time...

[pcgizzmo]

As we all know the law is broadly interpreted. It can be read to the letter and followed that way or it can also be interpreted as to what the intent was. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about it's done all the time. When it come's to the CHL posting's yes, it's very clear as to the way the sign is supposed to be but a judge is not always going to take that verbatim.

There is this thing called substantial compliance. compliance with the substantial or essential requirements of something (as a statute or contract) that satisfies its purpose or objective even though its formal requirements are not complied with.

If a sign is 90% compliant. Then it will possibly meet a judges standard for substantial compliance regardless of what all the people running around here looking for larger letters or contrasting background might say. If that happens you can get in trouble.

For the record I'm married to an attorney, I know have the attorneys in the larger firms in Dallas and Tarrant county and I've had this discussion w/defense attorneys that used to work for the Dallas DA and they are all in agreement. It REALLY depends on the judge you get and how they want to take your case.

No, you can appeal all the way up the line and get a ruling on it that way but do you really want to take that chance? Gun buster signs are a non issue. 30.06 signs can be a problem.

So as bad as some of you might not like to hear it. You MIGHT beat the rap but not the ride or you might not beat either.