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[Skiprr]

You know, even Paul Howe in Nacogdoches had to go through the same CHL course that all of us do. And I consider him to be a pretty special operator.

Good luck to you.

[E.Marquez]

Matt at Aarons Gun Shop in Cameron if you feel like making the drive. Great instructor with lots of by the book info, some real life stuff about CC and equipment and no preaching personal views. that are,,,well personal not and specific to a person. (ie not helpful to a general audience or based on fact, but rather opinion )

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I've only witnessed two CHL instructors and read though the instructors materiel.. I don't think the course of instruction can be given correctly with out some discussion back and forth and What If's.

As for flagging someone, on the two ranges i saw the course of fire being done at.... It was not a concern, and the instructor mitigated the risk with new shooters by having a trusted agent observe the new shooter to ensure safety compliance.

Lastly, after working with and near PSD contractors in both Afghanistan and Iraq during 4 deployments.. As an instructor, I'd be more cautious teaching one of them, then Miss Marry the house mom that could not spell GUN yesterday. That of course is a general comment, there is good and bad in all fields, groups of people, company's.

[eureka40]

Texas Firearm Academy:

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I've had two courses there and I highly recommend.

[E.Marquez]

As for the preference of teaching the home maker mom vs a contractor, I am curious about that? I know there are some thugs in the herds, there always are---but why the anti-contractor view? Is it because we like to call instructors out that sound like they don't know what they are talking about?

25 years, of experiences, last 10 or so deployed every other year. Senior NCO, Training and leading folks is what i do.... with contracted PSD or PSC I have found a 1/3 rule to be true.

1/3 of um, are lucky they do not shoot them selves and other friendly (and often do three ND.s in the last 72 hours, 1 of which caused a fellow untrained PSD guy to take a quick trip to the hospital, and then likely home, two contacts in the last 24 hours, no enemy KIA, but several Trucks destroyed and CIVCAS caused by them)), 1/3 are not outright dangerous to them selves, but trained no more then your average weekend shooter.. Can be trusted to carry safely, likely to point the weapon only in the right direction when the shooting starts, and place most of their rounds in or near the intended target.. 1/3 are actually trained, technically, tactically and mentally competent. The feeling is, company highers the 1/3 technically, tactically and mentally competent ones at good pay, and then fill out the duty positions with what ever can be had.

That means 2/3 are in the ..... no out right assumption that they would not shoot them self's or instructor in the butt with an ND, and worse, think they are much better then they are cuz,, they be paid professional shooters.

I feel sorry for the good 1/3, good guys, skilled, and stuck with clowns.

[E.Marquez]

Again, I am trying to avoid being lumped into a class with Miss Mary the house mom, you know, the type that try to put magazines in backwards and at the same time, fire off the chambered round they forgot about into the wall about 4 feet from you face? Yeah, that happened. I'd be pretty irritated to go through what I have gone through to get smoked at a range by a dummy.?

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Hey, not really ragging on contractors, they do a job, and like any other group, there are good and bad in the group. My thought was, based on my experiences with Contracted PSC / PSD in Iraq and Afghanistan, a person with no other creditably than that, would be on my watch, wait and see list. And not automatically placed in to the trusted agent group.

I call um like I see um, no flamage intended If your company was the exception and hired nothing but fully qualified folks.. you did well


Oh, and to be fair,,,, My own group, specifically those assigned to Regional Command East, some 20,000 or so.. We have had 11 ND's in the last 2 months......A former Soldier with no other creditably than that, would be on my watch, wait and see list. And not automatically placed in to the trusted agent group.

[longtooth]

I wasn't making the argument I should be exempt, I am LOOKING for someone like Paul Howe, where there is mutual respect and you end up learning more. I thought I was pretty clear about avoiding the Instructors that THINK they are Paul Howe, or want to spend half the course talking trash about contractors, telling Desert Shield War Stories, or have other contacts. IN AND OUT.

Again, I am trying to avoid being lumped into a class with Miss Mary the house mom, you know, the type that try to put magazines in backwards and at the same time, fire off the chambered round they forgot about into the wall about 4 feet from you face? Yeah, that happened. I'd be pretty unhappy to go through what I have gone through to get smoked at a range by a dummy.

As for the preference of teaching the home maker mom vs a contractor, I am curious about that? I know there are some thugs in the herds, there always are---but why the anti-contractor view? Is it because we like to call instructors out that sound like they don't know what they are talking about?

Sir you have my PM concerning the editing of the underlines in you post.
As for the home maker Mom vs the Contractor, my Sat class is an example of the pattern & not an isolated incident.
In my class this past Sat. 6/25, I had a Home Maker Mom in her 40s that had shot a 410ga shotgun one time in her life. Never shot a rifle or handgun. She took a beginner lesson Friday evening before her class & qualified w/ a 247 out of a possible 250. She shot one of my range guns, a Baretta PX4 Storm in 9mm. She outshot EVERY man on the line & never had the smallest range safety violation. Closest to her was a 241 which is not at all poor shooting. (Espceially w/ a short barreled 2 finger grip on a baby Glock)

There was also a Texas Prison employee there that registered 2 months ago. Since the prison system issues revolvers & he was to qualify w/ a simi, I offered him pre-class instruction too. "He knew how to shoot." "He did not need any instruction"
He came to the line w/ a 9mm & .40S&W ammo. Could not figure out what was wrong. He did qualified w/ a 236.
As an Instructor I will take the Home Maker Mom every time over men that "been shootin all my life & know what I am doin" whether oversees Contractor or USA homebody that know so much more than we do.

[longtooth]

why the anti-contractor view? Is it because we like to call instructors out that sound like they don't know what they are talking about?

I dont personally know an Instructor (I am sure there is one somewhere) that is unwilling to be corrected on a mistake.

Not an anti-contractor view but,
I personally have had far more students who "know far more than their instructors"
& think it their duty to God & country to
Call the Instructors out.

Contractors are not the majority of my students so classes are geared to Home maker Mom & Business man Dad. I for one do not appologize for that.
LT the member not the Mod.

[The Annoyed Man]

I have sat through three CHL classes so far. The first was my own, and the other two were my wife's and my son's. The classes all had a broad assortment of people, from experienced "operators", to rank beginners. Out of all three classes, I saw only one completely incompetent shooter that worried me—and he was a guy, not a soccer mom. That would be from among a total of perhaps 100 shooters.

I think I'm probably enough of your elder to tell you something you're not going to like to hear...... You may be very good at what you do, but your attitude sucks. I just finished getting my NRA Basic Pistol Instructor's rating yesterday. The stated goal of that course is to "introduce students to the knowledge, skills and ATTITUDE necessary for owning and using a pistol safely." It is my personal experience that every ND ever experienced by anybody I've ever known, including one involving me, was done by an experienced shooter who momentarily let his guard down.

On the day that you figure out that your work experience doesn't make you some kind of elite citizen, you're going to get along better with your fellow man. This is just an older guy talking who has figured out a few things along the way. Feel free to disregard anything I say. Your mileage may vary.

[SewTexas]

Saying the following as a homemaker mom....thank you longtooth and TAM, I've been a CHL holder for many years, both here and CO, I'm a pretty good shot, can outshoot my DH with my revolver most of the time.

Because of moving back and forth we've been through the CHL class several times, learned something new each time...going through the class is a part of the responsibility, the other students are simply a part of it. Hopefully, they don't find your attitude as offensive as I do. (And I honestly don't remember the last time I used that word.)

[doc.lonestar]

First time Texas CHL requires a 10 hour course.

Not to be a smart rear here but.... 10 hours is 10 hours is 10 hours regardless of how we look at it.

[paulhailes]

First time Texas CHL requires a 10 hour course.

Not to be a smart rear here but.... 10 hours is 10 hours is 10 hours regardless of how we look at it.

unless its 10 hours.