Taste of Dallas, CHL unwelcome

[FastCarry]

I attend taste of dallas and taste of addison regularly but this year i have my plastic. I noticed on their site that weapons, firearms and knives are not allowed. I emailed the event organizer to which he responded that this also applies to CHL holders.

I cant read the law book at work, but is this event covered if they dont have a 30.06? Ive never seen one there before, or maybe i havent looked for it before.

Discuss

PS, hi, im new and i carry a BG380 and a SA XD9

[Crossfire]

Well, since you asked, and he responded to you that CHL holders are not allowed to carry, then YOU have received notice and cannot carry there..
For the rest of us, if there is no 30.06 sign, we are good to go.

[RottenApple]

Well, since you asked, and he responded to you that CHL holders are not allowed to carry, then YOU have received notice and cannto carry there..
For the rest of us, if there is no 30.06 sign, we are good to go.

[Bulldog1911]

IANAL...

No 30.06 sign, then you should be fine. However, now that you have emailed the organizer and received written notification, that "might" fall under 30.06 notification. Not sure.

I would not have asked permission. I would have showed up, and if there was no 30.06 sign, I would have walked in. If there was, I would have turned around and left.

Another thing to consider, will you be drinking alcohol at this event? If so, obviously, don't carry.

[sjfcontrol]

Well, since you asked, and he responded to you that CHL holders are not allowed to carry, then YOU have received notice and cannot carry there..
For the rest of us, if there is no 30.06 sign, we are good to go.

Nope -- it was EMAIL, not oral notification. If the email notice was not in the 30.06 format, it was NOT effective notice.

Even if it was done over the phone, the question arises as to whether the person giving the notice had authority to make that determination, or whether it's government property (probably not), etc.

[Keith B]

Well, since you asked, and he responded to you that CHL holders are not allowed to carry, then YOU have received notice and cannot carry there..
For the rest of us, if there is no 30.06 sign, we are good to go.

Nope -- it was EMAIL, not oral notification. If the email notice was not in the 30.06 format, it was NOT effective notice.

Even if it was done over the phone, the question arises as to whether the person giving the notice had authority to make that determination, or whether it's government property (probably not), etc.

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules. 30.06 (b) http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RottenApple]

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules.

Keith, email is written communication. Per 30.06:

(3) "Written communication" means: (A) a card or other document on which is written language
identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (con- cealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:...

Unless they included that language in the email, I'm not so certain that it is valid notice.

[sjfcontrol]

Well, since you asked, and he responded to you that CHL holders are not allowed to carry, then YOU have received notice and cannot carry there..
For the rest of us, if there is no 30.06 sign, we are good to go.

Nope -- it was EMAIL, not oral notification. If the email notice was not in the 30.06 format, it was NOT effective notice.

Even if it was done over the phone, the question arises as to whether the person giving the notice had authority to make that determination, or whether it's government property (probably not), etc.

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules.

Written notification needs to be in 30.06 wording.
30.06 (a)(c)(3) "Written communications" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: [snip 30.06 wording]

[Bulldog1911]

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules. 30.06 (b) http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was just investigating that myself...
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice
if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to
act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written
communication.

[sjfcontrol]

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules. 30.06 (b) http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was just investigating that myself...
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice
if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to
act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written
communication.

But the definition of "written communication" is where the30.06 wording is defined.

[FastCarry]

here is the email chain, the response was simply "Yes" to a question.. to clarify what was said.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Subject: Re: Taste of Dallas

Yes

Scott Farace
972-533-5655

From: "steve.moore@tasteofdallas.org" <steve.moore@tasteofdallas.org>
To: nameredacted Scott Farace <sfarace07@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Taste of Dallas

Hi Scott - See below.......

> Hi Steve,
>
>
>
> I noticed that on the event info, weapons firearms are not allowed. Does
> this apply to CHL holders as well?
>
>
>
> Thanks,

[Keith B]

Well, since you asked, and he responded to you that CHL holders are not allowed to carry, then YOU have received notice and cannot carry there..
For the rest of us, if there is no 30.06 sign, we are good to go.

Nope -- it was EMAIL, not oral notification. If the email notice was not in the 30.06 format, it was NOT effective notice.

Even if it was done over the phone, the question arises as to whether the person giving the notice had authority to make that determination, or whether it's government property (probably not), etc.

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules.

Written notification needs to be in 30.06 wording.
30.06 (a)(c)(3) "Written communications" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: [snip 30.06 wording]

OK, you are correct. Forgot it was specified to be in the 30.06 wording when written. However, legal or not, if this one went to court, I really believe all the guy would have to do is present a copy of the email that he was told not to carry and it would be pretty hard to fight.

[Bulldog1911]

Sorry, you are incorrect. Email constitutes written notice and that is valid. Better re-read your 30.06 rules. 30.06 (b) http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/30.06.00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was just investigating that myself...
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice
if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to
act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written
communication.

But the definition of "written communication" is where the30.06 wording is defined.

yah i see. So i guess it depends what was in the emai.

Also, if the event organizer has authority to speak for the owner...

[sjfcontrol]

here is the email chain, the response was simply "Yes" to a question.. to clarify what was said.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Subject: Re: Taste of Dallas

Yes

Scott Farace
972-533-5655

From: "steve.moore@tasteofdallas.org" <steve.moore@tasteofdallas.org>
To: nameredacted Scott Farace <sfarace07@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Taste of Dallas

Hi Scott - See below.......

> Hi Steve,
>
>
>
> I noticed that on the event info, weapons firearms are not allowed. Does
> this apply to CHL holders as well?
>
>
>
> Thanks,

Not valid notice.

[RottenApple]

here is the email chain, the response was simply "Yes" to a question.. to clarify what was said....(/SNIP)

Then based on 30.06 and the required written language, unless they have a 30.06 posted sign when you get there, carry away.