CHL linked to TCIC

[wgoforth]

Here is what someone from another forum is saying. Any thoughts?

"CHL is not tied to your Divers License.. it's ONLY tied to your TCIC entry. This is a separate database.. it's done that way on purpose. No out of state agency can get your CHL info via your DL.. Line Scanners at clubs and membership only places that scan your DL won't get your CHL information.."

[apostate]

I believe that's correct. It's also my understanding it's effectively a moot point for law enforcement in Texas because they usually run your name and DOB in TCIC through TLETS if they run your DL or anything else.

Interestingly, I am not aware of any concealed handgun license holder ever being notified when that happened, as required by law.

Texas Government Code
Sec. 411.192. CONFIDENTIALITY OF RECORDS.
(c) The department shall notify a license holder of any request that is made for information relating to the license holder under this section and provide the name of the agency making the request.

[wgoforth]

This person is saying no CHL info is obtained by police when running ones TDL...is this correct then?

[RottenApple]

This person is saying no CHL info is obtained by police when running ones TDL...is this correct then?

That's not what he said.

No out of state agency can get your CHL info via your DL...

If I understand it correctly, a TX LEO can run your DL which is also linked to TCIC and thereby get your CHL info. But if an out of state office runs your DL, they don't get access to TCIC and therefore can't see your CHL info.

[wgoforth]

This person is saying no CHL info is obtained by police when running ones TDL...is this correct then?

That's not what he said.

No out of state agency can get your CHL info via your DL...

If I understand it correctly, a TX LEO can run your DL which is also linked to TCIC and thereby get your CHL info. But if an out of state office runs your DL, they don't get access to TCIC and therefore can't see your CHL info.

Unless you are on the forum, you don't know what all was said, right? This fellow IS arguing that running a TDL does NOT pull up your CHL possession. That he does not know when he pulls you over that you have a CHL, and that he can only tell if he runs your TCIC records...that it was done this way to keep out of state authorities from being able to access it. If you want to join the texas Concealed Carry FB page and see the discussion, please feel free.

[Keith B]

This person is saying no CHL info is obtained by police when running ones TDL...is this correct then?

That's not what he said.

No out of state agency can get your CHL info via your DL...

If I understand it correctly, a TX LEO can run your DL which is also linked to TCIC and thereby get your CHL info. But if an out of state office runs your DL, they don't get access to TCIC and therefore can't see your CHL info.

Unless you are on the forum, you don't know what all was said, right? This fellow IS arguing that running a TDL does NOT pull up your CHL possession. That he does not know when he pulls you over that you have a CHL, and that he can only tell if he runs your TCIC records...that it was done this way to keep out of state authorities from being able to access it. If you want to join the texas Concealed Carry FB page and see the discussion, please feel free.

When a LEO runs your drivers license, they will usually run a TCIC check for wants/warrants. This is when the info comes up. So, basically the guy is right, that the CHL info is not tied to your drivers license in itself, so the club scanners, etc won't get the information. However, any time your license is ran by a LEO, there will be a cross check into TCIC and it will show you have a CHL.

EDIT TO ADD: And the only way a out of state agency would get your CHL info is if they contact Texas to have a wants/warrants check ran, then the DPS may provide them with the CHL information at that time.

[Blindref757]

I went to DPS today to renew my DL...no mention whatsoever of CHL from the nice lady behind the counter.

[RottenApple]

Unless you are on the forum, you don't know what all was said, right? This fellow IS arguing that running a TDL does NOT pull up your CHL possession. That he does not know when he pulls you over that you have a CHL, and that he can only tell if he runs your TCIC records...that it was done this way to keep out of state authorities from being able to access it. If you want to join the texas Concealed Carry FB page and see the discussion, please feel free.

Quite correct. I am not on that forum and did not read what he wrote. Instead I read what YOU said he wrote. And my reply was based off of your quote.

I really don't see why there is any confusion here. It seems to me that when TX LEO runs your DL, I'll wager they also run a TCIC check on you as well. Especially since the TCIC response time is, per DPS, within 12 seconds. And I'll bet it's set up to automatically run a TCIC check when a TX LEO run your DL. So while the DL itself may not pull up your CHL status, the TCIC check would. I'm sure a LEO on the board would be able to confirm whether this is accurate or not.

Texas Crime Information Center (TCIC)

The Texas Crime Information Center (TCIC) provides immediate access 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to law enforcement agencies throughout the state to data regarding the stolen status of property and the wanted, missing, sex offender, or protective order status of persons. TCIC is accessed via the Texas Law Enforcement Telecommunications System (TLETS) resulting in responses within 12 seconds to inquiries from police departments, sheriffs' offices, and other criminal justice users. TCIC also provides a direct link to the NCIC so that law enforcement officers throughout Texas know instantly whether a vehicle, a boat, or other property under investigation is stolen, or a person in question is wanted anywhere in the country. Crime Records strategies assist the local law enforcement agencies in their reporting to and inquiring in the on-line databases. Timeliness and validity of entry and removal of stolen and wanted records are the Crime Records priorities.

[gigag04]

CHL shows in the TCIC database only as best as my dispatchers and I can determine. TCIC hits are only viewable for Texas agencies.