Had a Slight Issue Tonight Everyone Might Want to Consider

[TX Rancher]

Sounds like you did pretty good to me.

The point about the ID is interesting though. Maybe when in mixed company it would be a good idea to put the CHL behind the DL just to avoid such questions as “What’s that?�.

I agree with that statement and that is what I would do. I was at the store one day and saw the guy in front of me take out his driver license to show ID for a check and he had his CHL taped to the driver license so it would fold down and be shown with the license. That is not something I would do, but I wonder if anyone here does that sort of thing. I do not see a need to pull out the CHL unless asked for ID by the police.

Yeah, but at that point the obligatory question you will get when you hand them that little piece of plastic is???

(fill in the blank)

Thats when some in your little group that might not know your little secret...Might come out a little unraveled...But thats their problem as far as I am concerned...

Agreed, if the cat gets out of the bag, I’m not going to apologize for carrying, or get in an argument. I think that’s the time to stay cool and collected, and hope it’s not the owner of the car that takes offense…it could be a long walk home.

[jimlongley]

I would not "volunteer" the information unless the need arose, which is a jusgement call at best.

The last time someone flipped out because I might armed was due to an inadvertant comment by a close friend who knows that I carry. The comment was something on the order of "Jim, loan me your gun, will you?" just bantering. This other person went off "ARE YOU CARRYING A GUN??????"

My answer - "Of course, I wouldn't feel safe without it, aren't you?"

The friend who asked the question also chimed in that she felt much safer knowing I was armed and a couple of other people affirmed with her.

Kind of put a damper on the debate, and the evening, but she has come around since then, I even get to carry in her house.

[kauboy]

Unless asked by a LEO, my response is "No". I am under no legal obligation to inform anyone else that I have a gun on my hip. If asked by an officer while in the car with friends who don't know, I would obviously tell the truth, and then explain it later. Besides, what better way to introduce your unknowing friends to the fact, than to let them see how closely we follow the law.

[AG-EE]

Why would you expect to be asked for ID if you were a passenger, not the driver? I have never been asked for ID while I was a passenger of a car that had been pulled over. Not even when my buddy got nailed street racing back when we were kids.

[hi-power]

Why would you expect to be asked for ID if you were a passenger, not the driver? I have never been asked for ID while I was a passenger of a car that had been pulled over. Not even when my buddy got nailed street racing back when we were kids.

Speaking of getting stopped and street racing...many years ago a friend, who as driving, and I cruised by a place in Dallas where Friday and Saturday night street racing occurred. No one except a cop was there and began to follow us as we passed by. We decided to bug out and got on the entrance ramp to the freeway. The cop followed and soon lit us up. My friends first reaction was to stomp on the gas pedal. My first response to that was to threaten to rip his organs out one by one if he didn't stop immediately. He did, and the cop wanted to see both our IDs. (This was before CHL was in effect). He asked my friend if he was thinking about running before he stopped, and his response was, "No sir, I was trying to apply the brakes and my foot slipped and hit the gas pedal."

[seamusTX]

The cop followed and soon lit us up. My friends first reaction was to stomp on the gas pedal. My first response to that was to threaten to rip his organs out one by one if he didn't stop immediately.

When I was a teenager, I was in a car when the driver raced a train. He actually crashed through the gates. Needless to say it was the last time I got in a car with him.

You can get in all kinds of trouble riding with "friends of friends." The driver or passengers could have fatal bad judgment. You might be in car where drugs are found. Someone in car might be the target of gang rivalry. The car might be stolen...

- Jim

[nitrogen]

So then moral of the story? You tell me.

Don't get in cars with liberals.

Hey, some of us liberals have CHL's too.


If a non-leo asks me if i'm carrying and I don't feel like disclosing it, I either say nothing, or say, "I'm not carrying anything illegal!" so technically i'm telling the truth.

I'd ask the officer if I could discuss this with him outside of the car, if he/she was comfortable with that, if I was in the presence of people that didn't know I carried.

If that didn't work, I guess i'd be screwed.

[kw5kw]

I was a passenger in the backseat of a car with 5 people. We were pulled over and anticipating being asked for my ID I had both licenses in hand. The girl next to me asked what it was and I told her it was a CHL. She was like...ARE YOU ARMED RIGHT NOW?! She started completely flipping out almost to the point of screaming. To get her to shut up I said no, I'm not armed, then lied again and said I was required to show it reguardless. At that point she calmed down and was pretty cool. Thank god the cop didn't ask for my ID or I'm afraid of what she might of done.

So then moral of the story? You tell me. How would you of handled it. Would it of been better to tell her I was armed completely legally and taken my chances?

My youngest daughter is like that as well!!!!
I taught her and her older sister to shoot at a young age, they've handled .22's, 9mm's, 38's, .357's since they were about 10... way back 20 years ago now.

My oldest is waiting for her CHL to come in the mail so she can join her husband and me in a family Wally-walk.

My youngest, however, is so scared of handguns now that it's not funny.

Long story, that I don't want to publish, but she saw my son-in-law's gun this weekend and freaked!

I keep my weapons out of sight when she's around!
Heck, I'll even go un-armed for her peace of mind.

Russ

[Will938]

Why would you expect to be asked for ID if you were a passenger, not the driver? I have never been asked for ID while I was a passenger of a car that had been pulled over. Not even when my buddy got nailed street racing back when we were kids.

Hmm, because in my experience the passenger was always asked for their ID. Out of 6 stops only 1 was I not asked for my ID as a passenger (well 7 and 2 now).

[kauboy]

I keep my weapons out of sight when she's around!
Heck, I'll even go un-armed for her peace of mind.

Believe me, I understand your POV in dealing with her, but someday this may be the worst decision you could make.

[KBCraig]

Why would you expect to be asked for ID if you were a passenger, not the driver? I have never been asked for ID while I was a passenger of a car that had been pulled over. Not even when my buddy got nailed street racing back when we were kids.

Hmm, because in my experience the passenger was always asked for their ID. Out of 6 stops only 1 was I not asked for my ID as a passenger (well 7 and 2 now).

You're under no obligation to provide it.

[sparx]

I agree with that statement and that is what I would do. I was at the store one day and saw the guy in front of me take out his driver license to show ID for a check and he had his CHL taped to the driver license so it would fold down and be shown with the license. That is not something I would do, but I wonder if anyone here does that sort of thing. I do not see a need to pull out the CHL unless asked for ID by the police.

Nope. I have my CHL behind my DL in the "vinyl window" pocket in the wallet's inside-cover, but I never take my DL out to show anyone unless I have to (I'll usually just let them inspect the DL through the vinyl). But, if I have to remove it for some reason, as I slide the DL out I close the wallet cover so the CHL isn't visible. So far the only time the CHL has become visible to others is at a gun show when I'm buying a firearm.

[tsteven1]

I haven't been in this situation, but p'raps I'd be the first to proclaim,"Alright fellow travellers, let's get out the ole DL." Then I'd produce a DL sized card,( my CHL,) and face it downward until asked. In general, I agree with the groupthink concerning riding with liberals.

[TX Rancher]

Why would you expect to be asked for ID if you were a passenger, not the driver? I have never been asked for ID while I was a passenger of a car that had been pulled over. Not even when my buddy got nailed street racing back when we were kids.

Hmm, because in my experience the passenger was always asked for their ID. Out of 6 stops only 1 was I not asked for my ID as a passenger (well 7 and 2 now).

You're under no obligation to provide it.

Just want to be sure I read this right...If you were a passenger in a car, and an officer asked you for ID, you wouldn't show it? Even if you're carrying? I may have it wrong, but I thought I was obligated to show the officer my CHL if I'm carrying and he/she asks for ID.

[Mike1951]

Nope. I have my CHL behind my DL in the "vinyl window" pocket in the wallet's inside-cover, but I never take my DL out to show anyone unless I have to (I'll usually just let them inspect the DL through the vinyl). But, if I have to remove it for some reason, as I slide the DL out I close the wallet cover so the CHL isn't visible. So far the only time the CHL has become visible to others is at a gun show when I'm buying a firearm.

Occasionally, the grocers clerk makes a comment about my drivers license looking strange. Then I know I've put the wrong one on top!