I knew England was bad but...

[Heartland Patriot]

I've said it countless times before and I will say it yet again...I will say it as long as I have breath to say it. They do NOT "pry them from your cold dead hands". They LEGISLATE them away, one little bit at a time...first, those fully auto firearms (only for the military, you know)...second, semi-automatic "assault weapons" (since they really don't have a sporting purpose anyway), handguns (because only criminals need those, or the police)...and finally, you're down to bolt actions with low magazine capacity (do you have your hunting permit, sir?), .22 rifles (are you part of a target shooting team?) and those exquisite inlaid shotguns that get taken out of the safe once a year to impress someone (and NEVER fired as they are a registered investment)...I don't want ONE MORE gun control law to be passed, I don't care how "common sense" it is...I want them ALL to be removed from the books...unless it is specifically tied to something else that is already a crime (like assault using a gun or knife becomes assault with a deadly weapon because it shows intent to do more damage). Those wacky Brits keep relying on "society" to protect them...but it never does. Even the best LEOs cannot be everywhere at once (and we shouldn't want them to be). I don't see a state or national gun-control bill that can pass right now...but its never too far out of sight, always waiting for the right incident, the right amount of left-wing media hysteria, the right frightened woman on the TV screen crying about "those dirty guns"...stay vigilant, because it is NOT paranoia if they are out to get ya!

[VMI77]

It's doing the same thing to be this morning. It worked perfectly last night.

It must have something to do with getting there thru Google.

Try the first link in this Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... et+Journal

Thanks so much, PawPaw - works perfectly

Holy cow! From the article:

Police have been instructed by the British Home Office to let burglars and first-time offenders who confess to any of some 60 crimes—ranging from assault and arson to sex with an underage girl—off with a caution. That means no jail time, no fine, no community service, no court appearance.

You have GOT to be flippin' joking!!!!

The author, Professor Joyce Malcolm, seems to be a very interesting (and pro-gun) lady:
http://www.law.gmu.edu/faculty/director ... colm_joyce" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The article also says this --and it describes exactly the kind of outcomes the left is seeking here:

In 2008, a robber armed with a knife attacked shopkeeper Tony Singh in West Lancashire. During the struggle the intruder was fatally stabbed with his own knife. Although the robber had a long record of violent assault, prosecutors were preparing to charge Mr. Singh with murder until public outrage stopped them.

[mamabearCali]

Good Heavens! I knew it was bad there, but holy cow! I am staying on this side of the pond--not matter how bad I would love to see Scotland, and I am with you Heartland Patriot--not one more gun law I don't care how common sense it is. Thanks--but no thanks.

[CrimsonSoul]

Pawpaw you did they link wrong! next time use lmgtfy.com!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Joyce+Malcolm%2C+W ... et+Journal

[MeMelYup]

Police have been instructed by the British Home Office to let burglars and first-time offenders who confess to any of some 60 crimes—ranging from assault and arson to sex with an underage girl—off with a caution. That means no jail time, no fine, no community service, no court appearance.

You have GOT to be flippin' joking!!!!

One also has to remember this reduces their crime statistics which are based on convictions only. It also gives them lower crime rates to encourage the paying guests to visit their country.

[speedsix]

...while it's not Utopia...I can stop a home invader or burglar in my home with my legally owned firearms without being charged by my government with murder...I'm allowed to carry legally and don't have to run from an attacker...and you don't see Texans standing in the street taking off their clothes to give to an unarmed thug...
...We the People, after escaping from England's oppressive government and having it follow us over here, beat the socks off a much superior fighting force and then carefully set up a government with safeguards built in (i.e. the Bill of Rights) to give us and keep for us more freedom and individual rights than the common British citizen has ever had...ask the thousands of immigrants here from not just Great Britain but any other country how they'd like to give up their citizenship and go "home"....you don't get many takers...even as screwed up as it is here now...we have LOTS to be proud of...and I AM...and I have no sympathy for any people of any nation who let their goverment disarm and restrict them to the point that they can't protect their own families in their own homes...and, as I've said before, no respect for a people who've been rescued as we did the Brits in WWII and then go right back into the same defenseless mode...not having learned anything by their narrow escape...the British had a lot of courage in WWII...but courage won't get you a victory in battle if you have no weapons to fight with...
...it was said of America in WWII that the only reason we weren't invaded was that the world knew most of the people were armed...just like Switzerland's reputation...maybe so, maybe not...but the British are just as helpless today as they were when they cried out to us and got help from our citizens at great personal sacrifice...and that's my beef...had they even kept those weapons, and the right to keep and use them...they wouldn't be at the mercy of lawless hoods today...

[Jumping Frog]

I find it very hard to disagree with that sentiment, speedsix - but just remember that that was the gov't, not the people.

There is an old wise saying that the people get exactly the government they deserve. They have only themselves to blame.

[speedsix]

...and that's precisely where WE are now...we need to buck up and fight for our other rights like we have for our 2A rights...while we still can...

...here's a pretty concise rundown on how the residents of England have lost their right to self-protection...and the means to do so...the Irish have fared much better...

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic ... fenseless/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[speedsix]

...
AndyC, you're right...I've done it about Kalifornia, NJ, and NY...and I'm doing the same about England...and it's not fair...lost sight of what it'd be like to be in the minority and want to change things with all my heart...just not have the votes to do it...thanks for the wakeup...and reminder to be gracious...

[VMI77]

...it was said of America in WWII that the only reason we weren't invaded was that the world knew most of the people were armed...just like Switzerland's reputation...maybe so, maybe not...but the British are just as helpless today as they were when they cried out to us and got help from our citizens at great personal sacrifice...and that's my beef...had they even kept those weapons, and the right to keep and use them...they wouldn't be at the mercy of lawless hoods today...

If you said a reason...ok...but the only reason? The main reason we weren't invaded is because our enemies didn't have sufficient economic power, and hence, the military and logistical capability for such an invasion across two oceans. The Germans had virtually no Navy except for submarines, and certainly not the kind of Navy it would take to launch and supply an invasion across the Atlantic. The Germans couldn't even mount an invasion of England, much less the US. War with the US was a doomed enterprise for them from the beginning. Certainly once they stalled in Russia, and lost the oil fields in the Middle East, the outcome was inevitable. And we had friendly bases from which we could stage attacks in the territory of our enemies --like England, Australia, New Zealand and the British colonies. The Japanese were fighting for resources too, and not just oil either....and they pretty much expended all their ability to bring the war to the US in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

[speedsix]

...so that would put you in the "maybe not" camp...good insight and good history lesson...