16,000 guns go missing?

[Monker10]

I was pretty sure someone else would have posted this article by now. If so please link.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/01/missing.guns.report/

It basically says that 16,000 guns have gone missing from manufacturer warehouses since 2009. Not quite sure on the validity of this seeming as it's from the Brady people and it doesn't name any specific manufacturers.
I wonder what fuzzy math they has to do in order to get it to 16,000 or how close the real number lost is.

[Excaliber]

I was pretty sure someone else would have posted this article by now. If so please link.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/01/missing.guns.report/

It basically says that 16,000 guns have gone missing from manufacturer warehouses since 2009. Not quite sure on the validity of this seeming as it's from the Brady people and it doesn't name any specific manufacturers.
I wonder what fuzzy math they has to do in order to get it to 16,000 or how close the real number lost is.

I suspect this figure includes guns stolen from carrier shipments between the manufacturer and distributors or dealers. This happens a lot and is due to the carrier's security issues over which the manufacturer has no control. The Brady assertion that guns are being made without serial numbers and sent into criminal channels by manufacturers is made up out of whole cloth, just like most of the Brady info, and is published anyway by a fawning press that no longer makes any effort to check facts.

[Monker10]

Good point the problem may be on the carriers end and not necessarily the manufactures In the article it claims that it's from the manufacturers inventory but further into the article it states the source is from the ATF that collected the data from both manufacturers and dealers. so it could be shipments to the dealers that are going missing. This is just the nature of any type of business. Orders can and do get lost at times. I bet the Brady people didn't take the time to research how many of those lost shipments are recovered later on down the line due to them going the wrong route.

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

The Brady assertion that guns are being made without serial numbers and sent into criminal channels by manufacturers is made up out of whole cloth, just like most of the Brady info, and is published anyway by a fawning press that no longer makes any effort to check facts.

Wait, the Brady bunch makes their "facts" up and that the press doesn't check to make sure they "facts" they publish are actual facts?

[punkndisorderly]

I would be very curious to hear more on this. Were the losses mostly from a handful of makers, or were they spread across the 4,400 dealers? No reasons were given in the article. Were these arms that were prototypes and were destroyed? Were they, as someone here posted, lost in transit? I remember a story where one manufacterer had an employee selling guns on the side. Were they skips in serial numbers where there was no actual gun manufactured and the gun exists on paper only? Were they canibalized to fix guns sent in for warranty work? Were they full-auto machine guns or handguns that a criminal would love to have one couldn't be traced? Were they single shot hunting rifles or other guns not likely to be of interest for a criminal?

I find it hard t believe that any responsible manufacturer would knowingly risk the liability of allowing guns to just walk off.

When you look at the numbers, an average of four guns per manufacturer was lost track of or about 1/3 of one percent of the 5 million guns produced. That's much better than the $60 billion the government has lost in iraq and afganistan and has no idea of where it went.

The Brady Campaign being the one to expose it and the lack of actual facts included, I'm very skeptical. Ditto the fact that it comes from the ATF during the Fast and Furious debacle. "Sure, we lost a couple of thousand guns that went to Mexican Drug Cartels and have been linked to several murders, but manufactures lost ten times that and who knows where they went?"