Roger Boisjoly dies at 73; engineer tried to halt Challenger

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Roger Boisjoly dies at 73; engineer tried to halt Challenger launch
The night before the 1986 explosion, Boisjoly and four others argued that joints in the shuttle's boosters couldn't withstand a cold-weather launch.
By Ralph Vartabedian, Los Angeles Times
February 7, 2012
The 1986 explosion that destroyed the space shuttle Challenger and killed seven astronauts shocked the nation, but for one rocket engineer the tragedy became a personal burden and created a lifelong quest to challenge the bureaucratic ethics that had caused the tragedy.

Roger Boisjoly was an engineer at solid rocket booster manufacturer Morton Thiokol and had begun warning as early as 1985 that the joints in the boosters could fail in cold weather, leading to a catastrophic failure of the casing. Then on the eve of the Jan. 28, 1986, launch, Boisjoly and four other space shuttle engineers argued late into the night against the launch.

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Boisjoly, 73, died of cancer Jan. 6 in Nephi, Utah, though news of his passing was known only in the southwest Utah community where he retired.
I just watched a dramatized documentary of this case, and Boisjoly (pronounced "Beau Soleil") fought a lonely, principled, and courageous battle to force a hold on launching when it became apparent that the seals on the solid rocket boosters were downright dangerous when temperatures fell below a certain point. Sadly, he was vindicated, and although it was his management that recommended the launch in the face of the evidence, the resulting tragedy broke him.
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In a 2003 interview with The Times, he recalled that NASA tried to blackball him from the industry, leaving him to spend 17 years as a forensic engineer and a lecturer on engineering ethics.
The obit on NPR said that he, in fact, did leave Thiokol shortly after the Challenger disaster, and after a couple of years of reflection, he and his wife would travel the country at their own expense, offering to lecture at any engineering school that would have them, talking about the ethics of engineering and how important it was to stand up for what you truly believed.
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Most companies that say they want open communication really don't. Especialy if you disagree with management policies or decisions.

This guy gets blackballed for doing his job while management played dice with the Challenger crew's lives.

RIP Mr Boisjoly. :tiphat:
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n5wd wrote:
In a 2003 interview with The Times, he recalled that NASA tried to blackball him from the industry, leaving him to spend 17 years as a forensic engineer and a lecturer on engineering ethics.
The obit on NPR said that he, in fact, did leave Thiokol shortly after the Challenger disaster, and after a couple of years of reflection, he and his wife would travel the country at their own expense, offering to lecture at any engineering school that would have them, talking about the ethics of engineering and how important it was to stand up for what you truly believed.
During the course of several telephone meetings between NASA flight managers and Thiokol's engineering managers, NASA said that they would defer to the judgement of Thiokol's engineers. But implied in their choice of words was a threat that Thiokol could be replaced if they couldn't properly design a booster, and that delays in the launch were very expensive to NASA, not to mention a PR nightmare. During the final meeting at the Thiokol end, with NASA managers teleconferencing in, Boisjoly and another engineer who actually designed the O-rings in question adamantly refused to come around and say that it was safe to launch. But in the end, they also were faced with an implied threat—that if they didn't fall into line behind their managers and green-light the launch, their days at Thiokol would be numbered. So on polling the final committee vote, both Boisjoly and the other engineer remained silent, afraid for their careers, but also pretty certain that the outcome would be disastrous. With their remaining silent, the Thiokol managers greenlighted the launch, and Boisjoly's predictions were borne out.

It wasn't too much later that Boisjoly resigned, although the other engineer stayed on to try and be part of redesigning the solid booster motors to avoid future launch explosions. Until the day Boisjoly died, both he and the other guy have been very vocal about A) making sure that the record of managerial malfeasance and incompetence during the Challenger disaster never gets buried, and B) making sure that ongoing manned missions are held to a much higher standard of engineering excellence, with more of an emphasis on crew safety.......even when it costs money.

The subsequent Columbia disaster may or may not have been part of that institutional fecklessness. After the Apollo 1 crew of Grissom, White, and Chaffee were burned to death during testing on the launch pad, Astronaut Col. Frank Borman told the investigating committee that it was a "failure of imagination" that killed those three men. Institutionally, NASA had had so much success that they were sure they had the tiger by the tail, and it just never even occured to them that they might have designed an inherently dangerous system by using a pure oxygen environment in a spacecraft. They had gotten so used to doing so many things right, that their imaginations never permitted them to dream up what could go wrong.

NASA was well aware that the big auxilliary fuel tank was shedding pieces of ice and foam insulation during launch every single time. They had been observing the phenomenon on film, in detail, on nearly every launch. But each time it happened, it was mere chance that none of those falling pieces hit the spacecraft itself. They were operating on the principle that, if it hadn't happened yet, it probably wouldn't. (Condition White) Consequently, it never really occured to anyone to wonder and worry (the failure of imagination) about what might happen if one of those pieces of ice struck the orbiter at Mach Schnell during a launch, and how they would get the crew home if it were damaged. The actual damage to Columbia's wing was severe enough that it would have been easily observable if anyone had bothered to look at it. A simple unscheduled EVA could have made the final determination.

Nobody imagined that it would be necessary.

I love the idea of the exploration of space, and despite the current trend at NASA toward unmanned flights, I think it is important to keep humans at the forefront of that exploration to the degree that it is technically feasible to do so. The problem is that when an institution gets real good at doing something, it tends to act with a great deal of hubris, which may not be the case at the level of the individual engineer/scientist. Most people acknowledge that riding rockets into space is not without risk, and a certain amount of risk is acceptable. But, these things are "risks" exactly because we don't know what we don't know. When you know what you don't know, then you have an opportunity to examine your lack of knowledge with a critical eye, using your imagination to try and figure out what might go wrong, and then make a plan for dealing with it. When a risk is known but can't be helped, then you can make a decision as to whether it is acceptable or not. But you can not adjudicate the acceptability of risks of which you are not aware; and the only way to gain awareness is to imagine what could happen.
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My Dad worked at Thiokol during the 60's and was very vocal after the Challenger Disaster that every engineer worth a darn KNEW that o-rings failed a low temperatures...

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Of course, all of this is very complicated. Some people blamed the decision on the fact that President Reagan was to using the "teacher in space" for political gain and he didn't want the launch delayed.

The NASA managers ultimately made the final decision. I always wondered if the crew was consulted. After all, the mission commander is captain of the ship.

There will always be safety concerns when flying in space. I would guess that there would be no missions flown if 100% agreement was needed from every engineer and manager in the program.

I have also wondered if a crew member decided that they didn't want to fly a certain mission due to safety concerns what would be the outcome. I am sure that their astronaut career would be over.
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TAM wrote:The subsequent Columbia disaster may or may not have been part of that institutional fecklessness. After the Apollo 1 crew of Grissom, White, and Chaffee were burned to death during testing on the launch pad, Astronaut Col. Frank Borman told the investigating committee that it was a "failure of imagination" that killed those three men. Institutionally, NASA had had so much success that they were sure they had the tiger by the tail, and it just never even occured to them that they might have designed an inherently dangerous system by using a pure oxygen environment in a spacecraft. They had gotten so used to doing so many things right, that their imaginations never permitted them to dream up what could go wrong.
Gus Grissom had been exonerated but they redesigned the hatch (because of Liberty bell 7) so that it had to be pulled inward before it could be open (Grissom had hung a large lemon on the side the days before the test). At normal atmosphere pressure it would have been equalized and though more complex, doable. But they had brought it to hyperbaric pressures. Once the fire developed the inside pressure was increased to a point where no one inside or out had a chance to open it (an increase of only 1 PSI over a 24"x39" area is 986 pounds of force). Though we (the public) have heard a minimum of the audio, unofficial reports said that screams were heard over audio for nearly two minutes. The suits wouldn't let them suffocate like we were told, they cooked.

I don't know about NASA's fecklessness, I guess its how you measure that sort of thing. We have made several trips to JSC and a few to Kennedy. When you see that the third stage of the Saturn V was chicken wire and paper mache', that the welding was done by the lowest bidder (a Dallas welding shop close to North American Aviation) and that the wiring from mercury through Apollo was regular ol' twisted copper and crimp on eye lugs bolted to brass posts (I would've thought that ribbon wire and modular locking connectors would have been the norm in such a "high tech" endeavor); it is a miracle that loss of life wasn't the norm as opposed to the exception. Rocket science ain't rocket science, it's a crap shoot.
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WildBill wrote:Of course, all of this is very complicated. Some people blamed the decision on the fact that President Reagan was to using the "teacher in space" for political gain and he didn't want the launch delayed.

The NASA managers ultimately made the final decision. I always wondered if the crew was consulted. After all, the mission commander is captain of the ship.

There will always be safety concerns when flying in space. I would guess that there would be no missions flown if 100% agreement was needed from every engineer and manager in the program.

I have also wondered if a crew member decided that they didn't want to fly a certain mission due to safety concerns what would be the outcome. I am sure that their astronaut career would be over.
I remember seeing the weather on TV early that morning before launch. It seemed to me at the time that the launch in that cold of weather was "experimental" as I never remembered a launch in that cold of weather before.

President Reagan had announced earlier that he intended to talk to the teacher live from space during his State of the Union address.

To me no one at NASA was willing to tell the President no. If it had been my wife, I would have told her your not flying today.
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