Armed citizen story Magnolia

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According to the website below, a magnolia family defended their home against burglars.

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[WildBill]

"The son fired his pistol at least three times in the direction of the intruder, who fled outside to the driveway, the MCSO reports. The intruder then collapsed and died."

It is interesting that the reporter didn't say "fired his pistol AT the intruder."
He makes it sound like the son accidently hit the BG.

[sugar land dave]

Tripped the alarm and then defended himself successfully, good job by the young man of the house!

Wild Bill, I noticed that too. I think "in the direction of" is a curious addition.

[mr surveyor]

wow, I learned something new too.... "medics" can pronounce a person dead?

[ELB]

wow, I learned something new too.... "medics" can pronounce a person dead?

Remember, this is a newspaper article, not an authoritative source of procedure or law.

As a practical matter, the EMTs will determine if he is still alive or close enough to it to start/continue resuscitation efforts. If he is not, they will note the signs of death, run an EKG strip that shows no heart activity, and (as I understand it) give copies to the Justice of the Peace or medical examiner, who officially pronounces the subject dead. This may be some time after he actually died.

[mr surveyor]

wow, I learned something new too.... "medics" can pronounce a person dead?

Remember, this is a newspaper article, not an authoritative source of procedure or law.

As a practical matter, the EMTs will determine if he is still alive or close enough to it to start/continue resuscitation efforts. If he is not, they will note the signs of death, run an EKG strip that shows no heart activity, and (as I understand it) give copies to the Justice of the Peace or medical examiner, who officially pronounces the subject dead. This may be some time after he actually died.

yep, that's the way I remember it (well, except for the EKG strip) from over thirty years ago.... at least on a crime scene. The ambulance team is going to be tied up on scene until released by leo, no matter what. I do seem to recall "running red" to the nearest hospital a time or two from very rural locations (large crowds of family and friends already congregated on our arrival) with a "patient" that had obviously left this world several hours earlier from natural causes. It was either that, or wait a couple of hours for the JP to find us and "release us" while we tried to defend our inability to resurect the dead. But, the case in point here is a crime scene investigation and the ambulance team/first responders are bound to explicit procedures.

I'm just constantly tic'd off by the constant misrepresentations made by "journalists" in nearly every news story. It's no wonder our society has been so dumbed down as most people still think the news reports are based on authoritative information.


surv

[alphonso]

The author writes "No formal charges against the homeowners’ son are being pursued".

IANAL, but is there such a thing as "informal" charges...?

[speedsix]

...yup... "Gotcha!!!" and "You're busted!!!" are two examples that come to mind...

[ScooterSissy]

Woodard was found to be in possession of at least two knives and a replica BB gun pistol that were all on his person at the time that he was shot and killed, the MCSO reports. Woodard and Doster both have criminal histories in Texas.

Is the old saying now going to be changed to "Don't bring a BB gun to a gunfight"?

Sorry to sound flippant, and I know someone died, but that's the thought that struck me as I read this.

[speedsix]

...he "played" with someone who wasn't playing...got what he ordered...

[n5wd]

wow, I learned something new too.... "medics" can pronounce a person dead?

Remember, this is a newspaper article, not an authoritative source of procedure or law.

As a practical matter, the EMTs will determine if he is still alive or close enough to it to start/continue resuscitation efforts. If he is not, they will note the signs of death, run an EKG strip that shows no heart activity, and (as I understand it) give copies to the Justice of the Peace or medical examiner, who officially pronounces the subject dead. This may be some time after he actually died.

yep, that's the way I remember it (well, except for the EKG strip) from over thirty years ago.... at least on a crime scene. The ambulance team is going to be tied up on scene until released by leo, no matter what. I do seem to recall "running red" to the nearest hospital a time or two from very rural locations (large crowds of family and friends already congregated on our arrival) with a "patient" that had obviously left this world several hours earlier from natural causes. It was either that, or wait a couple of hours for the JP to find us and "release us" while we tried to defend our inability to resurect the dead. But, the case in point here is a crime scene investigation and the ambulance team/first responders are bound to explicit procedures. <snip>

Depends... in the area where MedStar is the provider (Fort Worth and 12 surrounding jurisdictions) medics can pronounce TOD in cases of obvious death or situations which are incompatible with life (i.e. massive exsanguination (which might have been the situation, here), decomp, decapitation) and in some cardiac cases (where the patient has been with no electrical activity in the heart for about 15 minutes and family doesn't object to the person being called on the scene) or when there's a legal DNR in place. If it's a obvious trauma victim that's pulseless and apneic, they don't even run the strip - just note the objective findings and chart TOD. Some times they'll consult with a base station physician if there's any question and the medic's TOD is the one that's recorded as the legal TOD.

The tendency to not "work" trauma victims who were DRT (dead right there) started nationally in the late 90's when the statistics showed that something like 0.01% of resuscitated trauma arrests actually made it out of the ER.

[mr surveyor]

n5wd

Thanks for the "updated" information.