Question about carrying at church...

[frreed]

I am a minister. I carry every Sunday and other days as well. The law is clear. You can carry in an unposted church. I just wish that I didn't have to disarm to visit parishioners in the hospital.

Have a blessed Easter every one.

[jimlongley]

I was carrying when I got baptised. Stainless Steel gun.

[johnson0317]

The penal code is a lot easier to read here.

You can download in .pdf or Word format.

Sweet! lol...I have been saying that the legal length of a knife is 5.25 inches or less...but I was wrong. It is 5.5 inches or shorter. That really opens me up to some great knife choices that I have been avoiding because I thought they were not legal. Yeah!!!!!

RJ

I apologize to anyone who read my previous posts about legal knife length and thought I knew what I was talking about...you should know better than that!

[wgoforth]

The penal code is a lot easier to read here.

You can download in .pdf or Word format.

Sweet! lol...I have been saying that the legal length of a knife is 5.25 inches or less...but I was wrong. It is 5.5 inches or shorter. That really opens me up to some great knife choices that I have been avoiding because I thought they were not legal. Yeah!!!!!

RJ

I apologize to anyone who read my previous posts about legal knife length and thought I knew what I was talking about...you should know better than that!

Anyone can (and I am sure WILL) correct me... but my understanding is there is no state preemption in Texas with knives. Municipalities may lower knife length, just not extend behind state law? Spring assisted knives are considerede illegal in Brownwood and locked bladed in San Antonio. I was told that some counties interpret length to be blade only, while others include the handle. Do we have ANY clear knife laws in Texas?

[wgoforth]

I was carrying when I got baptised. Stainless Steel gun.

Keep your powder dry!

[wgoforth]

Been a while since somebody stirred the pot that much in their first hour of membership.

Went back and checked...appears to also be the last day they have been back online period...."by their fruits ye shall know them" ?

[ShepherdTX]

I used to carry at church but currently I don't. I stopped carrying when I started helping out with the children's ministry. My role there is pretty much "human jungle gym" for preschoolers and as a result, there is an extremely high chance of them at least touching if not trying to grab at my gun no matter where I wear it.

I'm not too concerned about leaving it in the car though. There are a lot of LEO and CHL holders in my church that I know (and likely more that I don't know). If something does happen, there's more than enough capable responders very close by. At worst, my role would simply change from "human jungle gym" to "human shield" and I'm OK with that.

[wgoforth]

Just found this past week a fellow who has been an instructor for 3 years, and insisted churches were statutory no-carry. He says he tells all of his classes that when they see the sign that says "Baptist" or "Church of Christ" that THAT is your no carry sign (I guess non-denominational and groups with no signs at all are ok, ). He claims this is what he was taught in instructor school in 2009.
Although he would not listen or look at any evidence we presented to the contrary, he did write to the DPS Legal, who advised him correctly. Unfortunately who knows how many he has taught incorrectly in the past.
I truly wish the state would send some mass mailing to their instructors saying "Due to so much misunderstanding on this matter..."

[recaffeination]

If it's God's House then wouldn't it take a Sign from God to be effective 30.06 notice?

[jmra]

Just found this past week a fellow who has been an instructor for 3 years, and insisted churches were statutory no-carry. He says he tells all of his classes that when they see the sign that says "Baptist" or "Church of Christ" that THAT is your no carry sign (I guess non-denominational and groups with no signs at all are ok, ). He claims this is what he was taught in instructor school in 2009.
Although he would not listen or look at any evidence we presented to the contrary, he did write to the DPS Legal, who advised him correctly. Unfortunately who knows how many he has taught incorrectly in the past.
I truly wish the state would send some mass mailing to their instructors saying "Due to so much misunderstanding on this matter..."

Seems to me this could be corrected easily if the state would simply stop putting instructor certificates in crackerjack boxes.

[wgoforth]

Just found this past week a fellow who has been an instructor for 3 years, and insisted churches were statutory no-carry. He says he tells all of his classes that when they see the sign that says "Baptist" or "Church of Christ" that THAT is your no carry sign (I guess non-denominational and groups with no signs at all are ok, ). He claims this is what he was taught in instructor school in 2009.
Although he would not listen or look at any evidence we presented to the contrary, he did write to the DPS Legal, who advised him correctly. Unfortunately who knows how many he has taught incorrectly in the past.
I truly wish the state would send some mass mailing to their instructors saying "Due to so much misunderstanding on this matter..."

Seems to me this could be corrected easily if the state would simply stop putting instructor certificates in crackerjack boxes.

Actually I don't think it is that easy or w/o hours involved to get an instructor license. To me the problem is on two levels. (1) State. On the one hand, wanting to be careful to a fault to keep anyone from violating anything that could be construed of as violating a law, that people are robbed of being able to carry where they can. And also wanting to avoid liability by saying "check with your local DA as to how they look at it" when the Penal Code would seem to be clear. (2) People not paying attention in class, not taking notes, etc. I have exact quotes from the instructors I wrote throughout my class. I still refer back when I want to know what they said. Maybe you have your certification and have something concrete to point to?

[RPB]

If it's God's House then wouldn't it take a Sign from God to be effective 30.06 notice?

Or, "Apparent Authority" (Mary was A Parent lol ) (Apostles etc .Mark 13:34) BUT ...

Criminals want "gun free zones" that's why we don't post 30.06 signs ... the Bible itself says:

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it,
Matthew 16:4/Mark 8:12/Luke 11:29

[wgoforth]

If it's God's House then wouldn't it take a Sign from God to be effective 30.06 notice?

Or, Apparent Authority (Mary was a Parent ) BUT ...

Criminals want "gun free zones" that's why we don't post 30.06 signs ... the Bible itself says:

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it,
Matthew 16:4/Mark 8:12/Luke 11:29

THAT is the funniest post I have seen on this forum.

[jmra]

Just found this past week a fellow who has been an instructor for 3 years, and insisted churches were statutory no-carry. He says he tells all of his classes that when they see the sign that says "Baptist" or "Church of Christ" that THAT is your no carry sign (I guess non-denominational and groups with no signs at all are ok, ). He claims this is what he was taught in instructor school in 2009.
Although he would not listen or look at any evidence we presented to the contrary, he did write to the DPS Legal, who advised him correctly. Unfortunately who knows how many he has taught incorrectly in the past.
I truly wish the state would send some mass mailing to their instructors saying "Due to so much misunderstanding on this matter..."

Seems to me this could be corrected easily if the state would simply stop putting instructor certificates in crackerjack boxes.

Actually I don't think it is that easy or w/o hours involved to get an instructor license. To me the problem is on two levels. (1) State. On the one hand, wanting to be careful to a fault to keep anyone from violating anything that could be construed of as violating a law, that people are robbed of being able to carry where they can. And also wanting to avoid liability by saying "check with your local DA as to how they look at it" when the Penal Code would seem to be clear. (2) People not paying attention in class, not taking notes, etc. I have exact quotes from the instructors I wrote throughout my class. I still refer back when I want to know what they said. Maybe you have your certification and have something concrete to point to?

I'm not an instructor nor do I have first hand knowledge of how the classes are administered. But, unfortunately I have become a resource for several in our area that are pretty much ignorant about many important aspects of Texas CC. I also have seen some of the posts on this forum of people who claim to be instructors who give totally invalid info. My list of do not recommend instructors is growing rapidly. One of the things that I learned on this forum recently (according to an instructor who is a member of the forum) is that the test is administered as a group test. So apparently if you can half aim a gun and copy down the answers that a "group" provides any halfwit can become an instructor.
When someone asks me about an instructor the first thing I do is recommend the one I went to but i also tell them to check out an instructor thoroughly before taking his class. Get as many references as possible and stay away from the production line mentality of large classes.
There are many good instructors out there but there are also many who are either too stubborn or ignorant to teach the law as it is written.

[wgoforth]

Just found this past week a fellow who has been an instructor for 3 years, and insisted churches were statutory no-carry. He says he tells all of his classes that when they see the sign that says "Baptist" or "Church of Christ" that THAT is your no carry sign (I guess non-denominational and groups with no signs at all are ok, ). He claims this is what he was taught in instructor school in 2009.
Although he would not listen or look at any evidence we presented to the contrary, he did write to the DPS Legal, who advised him correctly. Unfortunately who knows how many he has taught incorrectly in the past.
I truly wish the state would send some mass mailing to their instructors saying "Due to so much misunderstanding on this matter..."

Seems to me this could be corrected easily if the state would simply stop putting instructor certificates in crackerjack boxes.

Actually I don't think it is that easy or w/o hours involved to get an instructor license. To me the problem is on two levels. (1) State. On the one hand, wanting to be careful to a fault to keep anyone from violating anything that could be construed of as violating a law, that people are robbed of being able to carry where they can. And also wanting to avoid liability by saying "check with your local DA as to how they look at it" when the Penal Code would seem to be clear. (2) People not paying attention in class, not taking notes, etc. I have exact quotes from the instructors I wrote throughout my class. I still refer back when I want to know what they said. Maybe you have your certification and have something concrete to point to?

I'm not an instructor nor do I have first hand knowledge of how the classes are administered. But, unfortunately I have become a resource for several in our area that are pretty much ignorant about many important aspects of Texas CC. I also have seen some of the posts on this forum of people who claim to be instructors who give totally invalid info. My list of do not recommend instructors is growing rapidly. One of the things that I learned on this forum recently (according to an instructor who is a member of the forum) is that the test is administered as a group test. So apparently if you can half aim a gun and copy down the answers that a "group" provides any halfwit can become an instructor.
When someone asks me about an instructor the first thing I do is recommend the one I went to but i also tell them to check out an instructor thoroughly before taking his class. Get as many references as possible and stay away from the production line mentality of large classes.
There are many good instructors out there but there are also many who are either too stubborn or ignorant to teach the law as it is written.

I don't know who in the world told you that. The test is absolutely not a "group test" if I am understanding your meaning and I hope others will respond as well. And you have to be able to shoot 90% of BOTH revolver and semi-auto. While I agree that there are many ignorant instructors (as well as ignorant history teachers, math professors, etc) I wish you would tell the forum admin who is spreading this lie. Maybe the term "group test" was misunderstood? The entire GROUP is given a written test, in the sense you are sitting in a class with others, though each person must complete their own 100 question test on their own. There is no talking or helping during the test. Each person answers on their own, and is graded on their own.