RottenApple wrote:psijac wrote:Utopia is built not found. Muslims move into Europe to escape the brutal regimes in the Middle east only to setup their own ridiculous sharia courts in host countries. Britons moving here would vote out gun laws I am afraid.
Just curious but what is the problem with Muslims having their own Sharia courts? Jews their own religious courts where divorces (aka - "gets") can take place, questions on religious issues, and even civil issues can be resolved. I don't know how the Sharia courts work, but the decisions handed down by a Beit Din (what a Jewish court is called) are voluntary. In civil matters it works much the way an arbitration service works in that all parties agree to be bound by the decision of the Beit Din. Assuming that the Sharia courts in the US and/or UK function in a similar way (which is my understanding), what's the problem?
BTW, obviously I am NOT talking about the Sharia courts in such countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. Only those in the US and UK.
The potential problem is this: a parent may drag a minor child into a Sharia court, where that child's consitutional protections are no longer in play. I don't suppose I have a problem with people
voluntarily entering into a religion based court. In that light, it is no different than agreeing to independent arbitration. But a religious court should NEVER be allowed to supplant the state courts unless
all parties willingly agree to enter into that court and be bound by its rulings—just as with independet arbitration.
So if a Muslim or Jewish husband seeks a divorce from his wife in a Beit Din or Sharia court, he should not be able to
force her into that court if she wants their divorce handled through the state's judicial system, nor should he be able to force her into religious court if she is refusing to grant him the divorce in the first place. In that case, he must pursue his "right" to divorce through the secular courts. If religious people can live with that, then I'm OK with their courts. But the minute they insist on anything different, then they are also insisting on their right to drag
me, who is neither Jewish nor Muslim, into the sovereignty of a faith-based court which has no faith-based claim on me. I'm not having that for even one second.......and I am a very religious person.
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