Access to CHL Information

[i8godzilla]

Just what are the requirements for access to our CHL information? Saturday morning I went to Ft. Hood to pick up my grandchildren. In order to obtain a temporary pass you must go to the visitor center present you DL, proof of insurance, and auto registration. Normally, I do not pick the kids up--we have my ex-DIL meet us at the gate--because it requires we both disarm and remain that way until we return them. This was not possible this time and we agreed to pick this up on post. While getting my pass, I was asked about three times if there we any guns in my car. I responded negative the first two times and was getting annoyed at being asked the same thing over and over. The final time I responded that I knew weapons were not allowed and inquired why they continued to ask. Instead of answering me I was then asked if I had a gun on my person. What? Since this was turning out to be an answer a question with a question session, I wanted to know why they kept asking. At last the truth came out. The clerk processing my pass indicated that they check all DLs to insure there are no outstanding warrants and the record also returns TX CHL status. Are you kidding me? I said no more and was issued a temporary pass. Do you think it was a coincidence that my truck was randomly searched (30 mins.) when entering the gate? At least I got a chuckle out of the them trying to search my mounted tool box in the back of the truck with a 'camper top' in the nice hot sun. They were not laughing when I told them I was not physically able to put everything back and they needed to load back all of the stuff they removed. When we returned we used a different gate and han no issues.

I see no reason that the CHL information needs to be disclosed to the Feds for a access to post.

//rant off

[Longshot38]

Just remember, big brother is always watching. Until we do something put a check on federal authority this type of thing will continue to happen. So my suggestion write and call you representatives until you fingers bleed/ear is about to fall off, and next time you are in the voting booth if the name says incumbent next to it find another name to vote for.

[Jumping Frog]

I see no reason that the CHL information needs to be disclosed to the Feds for a access to post.

If you think that is bad, CHL information is also disclosed to Canadian Customs.

[alvins]

I didnt know anyone carried their vehicle registration in texas. I thoughts what the sticker was for? Ive never been asked by a cop and ive had plenty of tickets.lol

[DEB]

Just what are the requirements for access to our CHL information? Saturday morning I went to Ft. Hood to pick up my grandchildren. In order to obtain a temporary pass you must go to the visitor center present you DL, proof of insurance, and auto registration. Normally, I do not pick the kids up--we have my ex-DIL meet us at the gate--because it requires we both disarm and remain that way until we return them. This was not possible this time and we agreed to pick this up on post. While getting my pass, I was asked about three times if there we any guns in my car. I responded negative the first two times and was getting annoyed at being asked the same thing over and over. The final time I responded that I knew weapons were not allowed and inquired why they continued to ask. Instead of answering me I was then asked if I had a gun on my person. What? Since this was turning out to be an answer a question with a question session, I wanted to know why they kept asking. At last the truth came out. The clerk processing my pass indicated that they check all DLs to insure there are no outstanding warrants and the record also returns TX CHL status. Are you kidding me? I said no more and was issued a temporary pass. Do you think it was a coincidence that my truck was randomly searched (30 mins.) when entering the gate? At least I got a chuckle out of the them trying to search my mounted tool box in the back of the truck with a 'camper top' in the nice hot sun. They were not laughing when I told them I was not physically able to put everything back and they needed to load back all of the stuff they removed. When we returned we used a different gate and han no issues.

I see no reason that the CHL information needs to be disclosed to the Feds for a access to post.

//rant off

Sir, I do understand your pain. Turn in an ICE complaint. They are not supposed to harass you like that. Often those working at the VCC bring their political beliefs with them. The same thing happened to me, when I was registering my vehicle on post. I complained and I was told that they were not supposed to even ask, as it does not pertain to what I was requesting to do.

[gdanaher]

Vehicle registration receipts are required on commercial vehicles in Texas, but MANY states ask to see registration on a traffic stop. It is always a good idea to fold up that sheet of paper that the windshield sticker is attached to, and put it in the glove box.

Before 9/11/01, I could come and go at Ft. Hood with little interference. After, well, it's obvious why they ask folks to do a tap dance. I have no objection if treated properly. Our guys see enough danger when deployed. At home they should be able to let their hair down and relax.

[tacticool]

When DPS provides your CHL information to a government agency, they are required to notify you. If they do not provide that notification within 30 days, I suggest filing an official complaint against DPS with the Texas Attorney General with a copy to the Governor.

If another 30 days pass without a satisfactory resolution, the right thing to do is VOTE AGAINST THEM and encourage all your friends and family to vote against dishonest government officials who choose to disrespect the law mandating confidentiality of CHL records.

GC §411.192 (c) The department shall notify a license holder of any request that is made for information relating to the license holder under this section and provide the name of the agency making the request.

[bkj]

They are law enforcement and ran your DL, the fact that you have a CHL would come up on the computer. Same as a traffic stop.

[Heartland Patriot]

They are law enforcement and ran your DL, the fact that you have a CHL would come up on the computer. Same as a traffic stop.

I dispute that they are "law enforcement". The gate guards are civilian Department of Defense employees (unless its actual soldiers, sailors, airmen or Marines). I take LEO to mean anyone from the FBI down to the local "beat cop" or constable. Does the gate guard have police authority OFF-post? I don't believe that to be so. Sorry to quibble, nothing personal I promise, but the lines on this sort of thing have been getting WAY too blurred. That is something that needs to get fixed in this country, IMHO.

[i8godzilla]

They are law enforcement and ran your DL, the fact that you have a CHL would come up on the computer. Same as a traffic stop.

I dispute that they are "law enforcement". The gate guards are civilian Department of Defense employees (unless its actual soldiers, sailors, airmen or Marines). I take LEO to mean anyone from the FBI down to the local "beat cop" or constable. Does the gate guard have police authority OFF-post? I don't believe that to be so. Sorry to quibble, nothing personal I promise, but the lines on this sort of thing have been getting WAY too blurred. That is something that needs to get fixed in this country, IMHO.

The issue was encountered at the Visitor's Center (VC). This place has civilian clerks that process your temporary access. After obtaining the pass you must then proceed to the actual control point (gate). The access to the CHL information was at the processing point. The VC also processes 'permanent' passes for military and civilians working on post and temporary weapon passes for those authorized to use the ranges facilities. The random search happened at the actual gate. I have no way of knowing if the VC notified the gate that I may have a weapon. However, I normally do not subscribe to coincidence theories.

Yes, I have been randomly searched in the past. Those searches have been nothing more than open the back of the truck--the shell on the back has blacked out windows--or open the glove box an center console. Takes less than 10 seconds. This time was much different. Bottom line: I love my grandkids but this is the last time I pick them up at home.

Did the Federal Government's ban of weapons, on Federal property, help on November 5, 2009? A government that fears guns is a government to be feared.............

[rwg3]

I see no reason that the CHL information needs to be disclosed to the Feds for a access to post.

If you think that is bad, CHL information is also disclosed to Canadian Customs.

Last time I went into Canada (pre-CHL), I drove. The Canadian customs agent asked me twice whether I was transporting any weapons, pistols first then long guns. When I said no, he smirked and said that he thought Texans always carried guns.

Coming back was worse at the American side but thats a whole different thread.

[kjolly]

I can understand this as they will not even let their own soldiers carry. Makes you wonder what would happen in a Indian raid? On the westerns the troopers take to the wall and defends the fort. Seems like they should welcome someone in with a CHL just to provide a little protection for them.

[rev210]

The people who run the visitors center here are Department of the Air Force civilian Federal Police Officers , when they pull you over or run it at the VC they will see the same DL information as any civilian LE officer would. I do not know about their arrest powers off base but I know when you are on base they can/will arrest you whether you are military or civilian and carrying (if they happen to discover this for whatever reason).