Drone and satellite poll

[tomneal]

I guess I am out in the fringe with this group.

Drones are being used for assassination of America's enemy's. I am fine with that happening in other countries but not in the United States.
The Montgomery County Texas Sheriff has drones and is in discussion to arm them with rubber bullets and tear gas. I am not fine with this.

Today there are Felony's that my Sunday School Teachers from the 1960's would not even have considered 'wrong'. (Any of you old enough to have purchased a firearm through the mail and delivered by the US Post Office?)

I don't want Drones flying over my house or my property that are trying to find evidence of crimes that my community doesn't believe are worth manned flights. Crimes like improperly permitted construction, wrong day grass watering, unlicensed pets...

If police need a drone for an incident, they should get a warrant. Just like they do for any other search.

[jimlongley]

(Any of you old enough to have purchased a firearm through the mail and delivered by the US Post Office?)

Yeah, my Springfield, from the DCM, but CMP still does that.

I don't want Drones flying over my house or my property that are trying to find evidence of crimes that my community doesn't believe are worth manned flights. Crimes like improperly permitted construction, wrong day grass watering, unlicensed pets...

If police need a drone for an incident, they should get a warrant. Just like they do for any other search.

I don't like the idea one bit either but, the fact remains that there is technology that can do it, and unless and until someone successfully enforces the law of the land on them, they will continue to use it.

I wonder what happened to the old concept that you owned the airspace above your property? Well, I know what happened to part of it, I just wonder if we lost all rights to it.

[mr surveyor]

I guess I am out in the fringe with this group.

Drones are being used for assassination of America's enemy's. I am fine with that happening in other countries but not in the United States.
The Montgomery County Texas Sheriff has drones and is in discussion to arm them with rubber bullets and tear gas. I am not fine with this.

Today there are Felony's that my Sunday School Teachers from the 1960's would not even have considered 'wrong'. (Any of you old enough to have purchased a firearm through the mail and delivered by the US Post Office?)

I don't want Drones flying over my house or my property that are trying to find evidence of crimes that my community doesn't believe are worth manned flights. Crimes like improperly permitted construction, wrong day grass watering, unlicensed pets...

If police need a drone for an incident, they should get a warrant. Just like they do for any other search.

THIS!

[chasfm11]

Can you say "out of control?"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... e-program/

[speedsix]

...I suspect that if we knew all that Homeland Security's spent and all that they've bought that is too much to be used now...we'd suspect that they might be a part of another plan and have other reasons for doing so...I've seen enough on the highway here to know that they're planning on more than defending us from a few terrorists...

[chasfm11]

...I suspect that if we knew all that Homeland Security's spent and all that they've bought that is too much to be used now...we'd suspect that they might be a part of another plan and have other reasons for doing so...I've seen enough on the highway here to know that they're planning on more than defending us from a few terrorists...

Let's hope that their current leader's ability to use all that excess ends in January, 2013. Comrade Napolitano needs to be citizen Napolitano really soon.

[speedsix]

...citizen of Yugoslobbria, maybe...

[tomneal]

DCM requires that you jump through some hoops and submit LEO Certified Fingerprints and they'll ship you a gun. The Garand I received in the late 1990's was shipped via FedEx, not the US Post office

There was a time when Mil. Surplus guns were advertised in the back of magazines, you could send a check, and the US Post Office would deliver. They didn't check how old you were or if they had your real name.

back to drones
I am concerned about making enforcement so cheap that unimportant laws are enforced just for the revenue stream. Can you imagine getting a permit to remodel your bathroom and getting a ticket because there was a kitchen sink in the dumpster. How about a ticket for 'hooking' a protected fish out of season even thou you release the fish. How would you like a ticket for violating the local leash law because a feral cat spent too much time on your property. If the cost of enforcement is too low, tickets will be issued because they are cheaper to pay than to fight. This is the premise for red light cameras in Texas and speed cameras in other states.

This doesn't even get into laws that impact gun owners.

[WildBill]

This is the premise for red light cameras in Texas and speed cameras in other states.

This doesn't even get into laws that impact gun owners.

That is why I don't understand how anybody can buy into the idea of red light cameras.

[G26ster]

DCM requires that you jump through some hoops and submit LEO Certified Fingerprints and they'll ship you a gun. The Garand I received in the late 1990's was shipped via FedEx, not the US Post office

The DCM was replaced by the CMP. The CMP does not require finger prints, but they do require you to prove that you can legally own a rifle, belong to an approved organization, etc. because the rifle is shipped directly to you and not through a FFL. Here are their requirements:

Proof of U.S. Citizenship
Proof of Age
Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization (TSRA membership is one of many)
Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity (CHL is good to go)
Be Legally Eligible to Purchase a Firearm (for NCIC check)
Order Form and Purchaser Certification and Agreement (notarized)

Here' s the link to the requirements:
http://thecmp.org/Sales/eligibility.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[tomneal]

To the folks at CMP, Please accept my apology for calling you DCM.
When I got my Garand, finger prints were required. Requirements have changed. I am glad.


Back to drones and law enforcement pricing structures.
"There is a number."
If the penalty is low enough, 99% of the folks charged with the 'crime' will just 'pay the fine' and move on with life.
If the penalty is too high, nearly everyone will fight the charges in court until they win or exhaust their resources. If everyone fought their traffic tickets like it was a murder charge, the government wouldn't make any money and enforcement, would eventually be reduced.

Drones make law enforcement 'cheap'.
I looked up what happens when law enforcement is too cheap and found a picture of a NYC policeman writing a ticket to someone for sitting on a milk crate.


There should be a relationship between:
- The Seriousness of the crime
- The enforcement effort (finding the crime and the criminal, building and prosecuting the case, jailing the convicted criminal)
- The Penalty for doing the crime.


I suspect that if we don't stop Drones today, eventually they will be used to generate revenue. Not to make the public and our Law Enforcement officer safer.

[speedsix]

...would you lead a drone like a dove, or more like a duck???

[chasfm11]

...would you lead a drone like a dove, or more like a duck???

but I doubt that you are going to get close enough to one of them to use a 12 gauge on it. Have something better in mind?

[tomneal]

I know shooting ranges where I can practice
- 12 gauge
- pistols
- rifles
- full auto
- suppressed

but
where would I go to practice aerial rifle targets?


See also:
Who is Ad Topperwein?
Where can I acquire 72,500 2" wooden blocks?

[jimlongley]

DCM requires that you jump through some hoops and submit LEO Certified Fingerprints and they'll ship you a gun. The Garand I received in the late 1990's was shipped via FedEx, not the US Post office

There was a time when Mil. Surplus guns were advertised in the back of magazines, you could send a check, and the US Post Office would deliver. They didn't check how old you were or if they had your real name.

My Garand required only membership in a proper organization, such as TSRA, and the normal check, and it seems to me it came USPS, but I could be wrong.

There was a time when ALL guns, not just milsurp, could be bought through the US mail.

The NRA actually ran an article in the 50s decrying that ability, the subject of the article's daughter ordered a Thompson Sub-machine Gun through the mail. That is all I remember of it.