Little curiosity question.....

[txbirddog]

We are proud of our CHL's and the efforts we have had to go through. I would assume that we all know the rules and regulations of our statutes and what it is required to stay compliant. We know the differences between who has a legal 30.06 and 51%, whether we can consume while carrying, at rest areas, churches, hospitals et. al.

What I am confused about is if some business is NOT posted correctly with either 30.06 or 51%,,,,,why do many feel the need to bring to the owner's attention that they are doing it wrong???? Do you want them to post it CORRECTLY so you can no longer carry there???

Not trying to be a smart alec, but just curious......

[The Annoyed Man]

We are proud of our CHL's and the efforts we have had to go through. I would assume that we all know the rules and regulations of our statutes and what it is required to stay compliant. We know the differences between who has a legal 30.06 and 51%, whether we can consume while carrying, at rest areas, churches, hospitals et. al.

What I am confused about is if some business is NOT posted correctly with either 30.06 or 51%,,,,,why do many feel the need to bring to the owner's attention that they are doing it wrong???? Do you want them to post it CORRECTLY so you can no longer carry there???

Not trying to be a smart alec, but just curious......

Mark Twain was known for having said, "Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." ....or words to that effect. Unfortunately, that is how some gun owners are. They are so insulted at even a hint of bias against their carrying a weapon into a place of business, that they can't help shooting their mouths off to educate the offender about what they're doing wrong (and by implication, what it will take to do it right). In their zeal to prove the shop owner a moron, they ruin it for all CHLs who come after them. Now who's the moron?

[Keith B]

If a business is not a 51%, but has the sign up, then it is important to contact TABC to tell them. The reason is this, if they believe they are 51% and catch you carrying, you will have to explain to them and maybe the cops why you passed a 51% sign, even if they aren't. If they have the correct sign posted, then you know exactly where you stand legally for carrying. Remember, the absence of a 51% sign does not make it legal to carry there if they are really a 51% location, it just gives you a defense to prosecution.

As for a invalid 30.06, then no, I will not tell them. Same for gun buster signs, etc.

Just remember, the proper alcohol signs are a requirement by the TABC, the 30.06 is a personal choice of the business and they have the option to post it or not.

[The Annoyed Man]

As for a invalid 30.06, then no, I will not tell them. Same for gun buster signs, etc.

Just remember, the proper alcohol signs are a requirement by the TABC, the 30.06 is a personal choice of the business and they have the option to post it or not.

That's the part I was referring to.

[grevengrevs]

When I first got my CHL I thought about mentioning this to stores or places that had the improper signs. Kinda felt that i had to "fix" the problem but always thought differently after a few minutes. Like was said, better not to enlighten the owner.

[txbirddog]

If a business is not a 51%, but has the sign up, then it is important to contact TABC to tell them. The reason is this, if they believe they are 51% and catch you carrying, you will have to explain to them and maybe the cops why you passed a 51% sign, even if they aren't. If they have the correct sign posted, then you know exactly where you stand legally for carrying. Remember, the absence of a 51% sign does not make it legal to carry there if they are really a 51% location, it just gives you a defense to prosecution.

As for a invalid 30.06, then no, I will not tell them. Same for gun buster signs, etc.

Just remember, the proper alcohol signs are a requirement by the TABC, the 30.06 is a personal choice of the business and they have the option to post it or not.

totally agree,,,,,I just never saw where it way MY place to inform them of correct or incorrect signage.

[stealthfightrf17]

I agree in the TABC signs, If I see one that's wrong then I will contact TABC. Not because I want the owner educated, but I don't want any miss leading signs that will lead me to taking a ride. However the law is clear for the most part on the 30.06 signs. And that gunbusters mean nothing. Gun busters can go up all day long and I am fine with that, the owner can have there no gun beleif and I can still carry there. The thing I feel that needs to change is that 30.06 sign MUST be posted at all entrances to be valid

[Jaguar]

Some of the "gun buster" signs are put up by people with full knowledge they are meaningless to CHL holders. They post the sign to make the anti crowd happy, and to still allow lawful CHL owners full access. A long time ago I had a friend that worked at a bank, asked him if he knew the sign was meaningless, he answered, "I hope so, or else I wouldn't be able to carry."

Jag

[jeffrw]

We are proud of our CHL's and the efforts we have had to go through. I would assume that we all know the rules and regulations of our statutes and what it is required to stay compliant. We know the differences between who has a legal 30.06 and 51%, whether we can consume while carrying, at rest areas, churches, hospitals et. al.

What I am confused about is if some business is NOT posted correctly with either 30.06 or 51%,,,,,why do many feel the need to bring to the owner's attention that they are doing it wrong???? Do you want them to post it CORRECTLY so you can no longer carry there???

Not trying to be a smart alec, but just curious......

Mark Twain was known for having said, "Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." ....or words to that effect. Unfortunately, that is how some gun owners are. They are so insulted at even a hint of bias against their carrying a weapon into a place of business, that they can't help shooting their mouths off to educate the offender about what they're doing wrong (and by implication, what it will take to do it right). In their zeal to prove the shop owner a moron, they ruin it for all CHLs who come after them. Now who's the moron?

Agreed. And even if the store owner doesn't put up a compliant sign, he/she may just tell you not to carry on premises, thereby constituting effective oral notice. Now you really can't carry there, whereas you could've if you'd only kept your mouth shut.

[jimlongley]

Mark Twain was known for having said, "Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." ....or words to that effect. Unfortunately, that is how some gun owners are. They are so insulted at even a hint of bias against their carrying a weapon into a place of business, that they can't help shooting their mouths off to educate the offender about what they're doing wrong (and by implication, what it will take to do it right). In their zeal to prove the shop owner a moron, they ruin it for all CHLs who come after them. Now who's the moron?

You can style me a fool all you want, but I would bet I have had more positive effect by telling posters of non-compliant signs than negative, and way more than you who "go gentle" and let them get away with their perfidy. Not one of the places I have ever carded has ever turned around and put up compliant signage, and Bass Pro along with a couple of small shops near Love Field took down their non-compliant signage. OTOH the Sixth Floor Museum still has their non-compliant signs posted, right near their metal detectors, and the Fort Worth Zoo still has their non-compliant signs which, since I have notified them in writing and they have responded, I will cheerfully walk past.

And as for "ruin it for other CHLs" I don't understand how I am ruining it for anyone. Do you mean to say that you actually choose to do business with someone who obviously doesn't want youir to be there? Then shame on you for more the fool than a moron, you are giving money to those who would see you disarmed.

In the years I have been asking I have yet to find one business that told me that they just put up the signs merely to comply with insurance requirements (are insurance companies so dumb that they don't know the difference?) or to appease anti-gun customers (same logic, except we know they are dumb) and "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" allow CHLs to carry at will. I see no reason to assume that a non-compliant sign will not be enforced, see the many other threads on the same subject, and I see no reason to contribute to the bottom line of a business that is too stupid to know to put up the right signs, nor have I ever, to my knowledge, "ruined it" for all the other CHL holders.

I will not do business with anti-gun, anti-CHL (and other categories) businesses and I see the only way to change them as to let them know why.

Your personal evaluation of my character has not persuaded me otherwise.

[Jim Beaux]

Trust me on this; there is no upside to volunteering information to those who may use it in a manner that could impair my interests. This goes double for the IRS, LEO's, libs, & WIFE!

[grevengrevs]

........... & WIFE!

[bigbang]

Some people say businesses post uncompliant signs on purpose to fool the antigunners without actually banning guns.
If those people are telling the truth, asking can verify that and there's no risk the owners will change the sign.

[jamullinstx]

If a business is not a 51%, but has the sign up, then it is important to contact TABC to tell them. The reason is this, if they believe they are 51% and catch you carrying, you will have to explain to them and maybe the cops why you passed a 51% sign, even if they aren't. If they have the correct sign posted, then you know exactly where you stand legally for carrying. Remember, the absence of a 51% sign does not make it legal to carry there if they are really a 51% location, it just gives you a defense to prosecution.

As for a invalid 30.06, then no, I will not tell them. Same for gun buster signs, etc.

Just remember, the proper alcohol signs are a requirement by the TABC, the 30.06 is a personal choice of the business and they have the option to post it or not.

Keith, my understanding is that it's worse than that. The law places the burden on the CHL possessor to do the right thing regardless which sign is posted and even if incorrect. Did I miss a legislative update?

[Keith B]

If a business is not a 51%, but has the sign up, then it is important to contact TABC to tell them. The reason is this, if they believe they are 51% and catch you carrying, you will have to explain to them and maybe the cops why you passed a 51% sign, even if they aren't. If they have the correct sign posted, then you know exactly where you stand legally for carrying. Remember, the absence of a 51% sign does not make it legal to carry there if they are really a 51% location, it just gives you a defense to prosecution.

As for a invalid 30.06, then no, I will not tell them. Same for gun buster signs, etc.

Just remember, the proper alcohol signs are a requirement by the TABC, the 30.06 is a personal choice of the business and they have the option to post it or not.

Keith, my understanding is that it's worse than that. The law places the burden on the CHL possessor to do the right thing regardless which sign is posted and even if incorrect. Did I miss a legislative update?

Well, if they don't post a 51% sign, then you are still illegal, BUT you have a defense to prosecution and would have to prove why you didn't realize they were a 51% location. 46.035 (k) was added in 2009.