Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
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Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
I see at my local theater says firearms prohibated continued with food/drink not allowed, no calls text, etc..it was one of those sings they just type up and print out.it was not an actual legal document.. I have not seen a 30.06 sign anywhere and I've been looking. Is it not a law for companies to post the 30.06 on the front doors, or where it is not hidden?
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Re: Is it illegal to carry with a non legal sign
No. Carry away. Those are for the sheeple and bad guys. Oh, and a proper 30.06 sign does not have to be posted at an entrance. It only most be posted in a conspicuous place where everyone can see it.
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Re: Is it illegal to carry with a non legal sign
As long as you aren't carrying while sneaking in food and drink, texting, making calls etc. you should be OK.
Seriously, unless it is a 30.06 sign with 1" contrasting letters, in English and Spanish displayed prominently it has no force of law. You are OK to carry the sign has less value than the paper it's printed on.

Seriously, unless it is a 30.06 sign with 1" contrasting letters, in English and Spanish displayed prominently it has no force of law. You are OK to carry the sign has less value than the paper it's printed on.
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Re: Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
Thank you, I thought I heard that right me my class thy the 30.06 has to be the correct size too?
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correct, if it isn't a 30.06 sign/does not meet all the requirements of a 30.06 sign, then it is not a 30.06 sign and can't have the effect of a 30.06 signx007x wrote:Thank you, I thought I heard that right me my class thy the 30.06 has to be the correct size too?
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but the no food sign is business, you can get in big trouble carrying in some Mike and Ikes
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Re: Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
There's no requirement for the size of the overall sign itself, but the lettering must be in "block letters at least one inch in height."x007x wrote:Thank you, I thought I heard that right me my class thy the 30.06 has to be the correct size too?
But the letter-height requirement does dictate, effectively, a minimum sign size. Since 72 points equals one inch, the typeface must be at least 72 points, and squishing the line spacing about as far as it can go and still be legible would give you a line height of 65 points. At those settings, and using a compressed font like Arial Narrow, the smallest standard sized paper that could accommodate the required English and Spanish text would be a B3, or 13.9" x 19.7". You'd need an A2 to make it more legible and cleaner, or 16.5" x 23.4". Nuthin' in the statutes about that; it's just my personal experience having done some page layout stuff in the past.
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Aaaaahhhh, still have a little ink under the fingernails there skiprr? (from a fellow former newspaper/printer guySkiprr wrote:There's no requirement for the size of the overall sign itself, but the lettering must be in "block letters at least one inch in height."x007x wrote:Thank you, I thought I heard that right me my class thy the 30.06 has to be the correct size too?
But the letter-height requirement does dictate, effectively, a minimum sign size. Since 72 points equals one inch, the typeface must be at least 72 points, and squishing the line spacing about as far as it can go and still be legible would give you a line height of 65 points. At those settings, and using a compressed font like Arial Narrow, the smallest standard sized paper that could accommodate the required English and Spanish text would be a B3, or 13.9" x 19.7". You'd need an A2 to make it more legible and cleaner, or 16.5" x 23.4". Nuthin' in the statutes about that; it's just my personal experience having done some page layout stuff in the past.

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Re: Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
I was told in class and here and by the AG office. If it doesn't meet the 30-06 requirements CCW away and if your discovered and asked to leave simply say sorry and leave. 

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And DPS has stated that they will enforce a sign that they consider to be a "reasonable attempt."Deltaboy wrote:I was told in class and here and by the AG office. If it doesn't meet the 30-06 requirements CCW away and if your discovered and asked to leave simply say sorry and leave.
How did you get the AG decision?
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Re: Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
I could see the "reasonable attempt" bit as a sign where a couple of letters had fallen off or the like. Not one with outdated wording or one that fails to meet size requirements.jimlongley wrote:And DPS has stated that they will enforce a sign that they consider to be a "reasonable attempt."Deltaboy wrote:I was told in class and here and by the AG office. If it doesn't meet the 30-06 requirements CCW away and if your discovered and asked to leave simply say sorry and leave.
How did you get the AG decision?
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I'll say "IT DEPENDS.".
There are some places that are statutorily off limits that might, as a courtesy, post a sign prohibiting guns. Even if itdoesnt meet 30.06 standards, a school with a sign like that is off limits until we have enough Texas legislators who are pro gun. COE lakes, buildings in National Parks, etc are a similar situation until a majority of Federal legislators support the United States Constitution instead of being domestic enemies of same.
There are some places that are statutorily off limits that might, as a courtesy, post a sign prohibiting guns. Even if itdoesnt meet 30.06 standards, a school with a sign like that is off limits until we have enough Texas legislators who are pro gun. COE lakes, buildings in National Parks, etc are a similar situation until a majority of Federal legislators support the United States Constitution instead of being domestic enemies of same.
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Ya can't scrape it clean, ever, can you?The Annoyed Man wrote: Aaaaahhhh, still have a little ink under the fingernails there skiprr? (from a fellow former newspaper/printer guy)
Ergo the old adage: "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the gallon."
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Re: Is it illegal to carry in a non legal sign place?
I called Austin and talked to Greg Abbot and I paid a visit to my County DA office and was told the same thing by both. If you get outed and you quietly leave as requested the LEO's will not get involved .jimlongley wrote:And DPS has stated that they will enforce a sign that they consider to be a "reasonable attempt."Deltaboy wrote:I was told in class and here and by the AG office. If it doesn't meet the 30-06 requirements CCW away and if your discovered and asked to leave simply say sorry and leave.
How did you get the AG decision?

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Wished you'd gotten that in writing.Deltaboy wrote:I called Austin and talked to Greg Abbot and I paid a visit to my County DA office and was told the same thing by both. If you get outed and you quietly leave as requested the LEO's will not get involved .jimlongley wrote:And DPS has stated that they will enforce a sign that they consider to be a "reasonable attempt."Deltaboy wrote:I was told in class and here and by the AG office. If it doesn't meet the 30-06 requirements CCW away and if your discovered and asked to leave simply say sorry and leave.
How did you get the AG decision?
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