Deaf CHL Students

[longtooth]

I have had corispondence w/ several about someone to sign for the CHL class.
I managed to find a signer today that is willing to think about signing for a class.

I need some response of interest & also how you would like to set one up.

1. A deaf or hearing impared only class.
2. Signer available on a student hire basis. Having to think about her price.

Thanks.
Jerry
aka LT

[barstoolguru]

a lot of them read lips

[srothstein]

When I was training, we had one student who needed a signer. A translator cost about 75 to 100 per hour. They actually send two so that they can switch off during the class.

I have to admit that the first time I did it, I was concerned that it would distract other students, but it really worked out well. The signer stayed by the student and it was just like another student to me. Mine was paid for by work since it was work related training. In a case like yours, I would recommend that the student pay for the signer. See if there is a way to get several other students together to split the cost. If there is enough interest, you might cut the class cost to help them pay for it.

And consider that it might be an in to another market that needs your services. The deaf community is small and fairly close-knit.

I am also surprised that the translator was concerned about the class subject. That is an ethical problem if I ever saw one. I just don't know of any certifying or licensing body you could complain to about it.

[longtooth]

Steve,
I am sorry my post came across that way to you. The one I talke to is not concerned about the subject only having to think about her price. I told her what was being charged by some to sign. She could not believe it.
My oppinion:
I think she only wants to decide what she will want for a days work. She signs for her church so a ministry is part of her make up.
She wants her CHL too.
I will definately be willing to do my part to help everyone.

I hope the deaf members I talked to some time ago have not droped out.

[RPBrown]

Perhaps if they (the students needing her) paid for her class. I am not sure what you charge but if I could sign, that would be a fair trade for me.

[kjolly]

I have two deaf endineers and when presenting a class for them to attend, we bring in a signer.
Believe if you contact the right agency they will send them as a service.
Recommend the idea of having two. It's a really long day.

[Birdie]

a lot of them read lips

Less than half of speech is "visible" or readable. Context clues help, but a classroom environment makes things very different. You certainly wouldn't want someone to miss half the material because they were lip reading.

[barstoolguru]

a lot of them read lips

Less than half of speech is "visible" or readable. Context clues help, but a classroom environment makes things very different. You certainly wouldn't want someone to miss half the material because they were lip reading.

Speaking from experience, my ex-wife was deaf and she read lips and if she didn't understand something she would stop you and ask. We have a friend that comes by and she is deaf too and she reads lips very well but sign language is good too, go to the college of mental health dept. and ask if they have volunteers that will be willing to help. It would be helpful IF they knew a little about guns so when translated the info would be easier to understand.

Deaf people carrying a gun is in my option not the best thing, verbal commands will not/ cannot be heard and this can lead to death by a cop or other CC holder

[srothstein]

Longtooth, glad I was wrong in my understanding.

I think the other ideas are good ideas though. I don't know how much you can afford to discount, but letting her take the class for free while signing sounds good. Then having the deaf students (assuming you can get more than one) kick in extra for her should make it work.

I hope things work out on this. I would hate for anyone to be denied their license because we can't find a way to get the the class based on some handicap or language problem.

[longtooth]

So far no deaf have responded.
Tomorrow I will send some direct PMs.
If that dont work an email.

[barstoolguru]

So far no deaf have responded.
Tomorrow I will send some direct PMs.
If that dont work an email.

Don’t hate me but I think you are pushing harder than need be. Start out a little slower, offer some range time in a group. You will get more people, then teach them the fundamentals of shooting and then work your way up into the class. The best intentions go south for one reason or another. Understand what the go through every day and then you can move forward.

My ex-wife taught me a lot about the deaf and one thing was they live in a limited world and look at outsiders as too-goodies. You can build a ramp for the handicap but get overextended and they feel like you are looking down on them

[Keith B]

My sister-in-law is a certified speech and hearing therapist and I have quite a few friends and acquaintances that are 'deaf'. Just remember, deaf doesn't necessarily mean they can't hear at all. Just like blind there is legally deaf and totally deaf. Many can hear sounds and even some frequencies of the spectrum, but may have lost enough of the range to have the human voice become unintelligible.

If you do end up with a deaf student(s), find out what their level of impairment is and tailor your class to that. If they read lips, you may need to make sure they sit in the front row and be cognizant of looking toward them at all times when speaking. They also may benefit from a combination of using sign language and lips. If they are just severely hearing impaired, then using a speaker system with a microphone may help boost the volume and frequency range so they can get the intelligibility out of your voice. They will tell you what works best for them in a lecture situation if you ask them.

[barstoolguru]

When you use a speaker system it will affect someone that might have a hearing implant to help them hear something. my X used to have to turn hers off in night clubs and concerts because of feedback