no one needs those ....

[RPB]

After church today the Pastor and a group of us talked.

One said "I'm for the 2nd amendment, but I do see the point about no one neeeeeds those hi capacity mags for hunting"

I said ok, 2 things

Well, ...

1) Right when the assault weapons ban was about to go into effect, I took SKS military rifles and converted them into deer rifles. (The hunters eyes opened wide like they wanted one) I said ... So I show up at a deer blind and a buddy says "you don't need a 20 round mag to hunt deer" I said you ever seen me shoot?" .... by the end of the hunting trip (I didn't shoot a deer) he agreed a 50 round mag might be better for me than just a 20 round... they all laughed

2) I explained the 2A has nothing to do with hunting; explained the 3rd Amendment and history and purpose of the 2nd and 3rd ...he agreed. viewtopic.php?f=94&t=55447&hilit=plantation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also I reminded him about Jared in Arizona only being stopped due to hi-cap mags malfunctioning like the hi cap mag at the theater recently, and he concluded all democrats should only be allowed to purchase hi cap mags which malfunction.

I also told him about me being robbed by 2 guys once and by 5 guys another time and about the jeweler in Houston who was shot 6 times while having to get 3 different low capacity guns to fight back against the three robbers... they saw my point.

Ramon Castillo and Eva, his wife of 30 years, Jewelry Store owners face-off with three armed men who were going to tie them up and shoot them in the head. Four bullets pierced Castillo's body six times because he had to run around getting 3 different "low capacity" guns to fight back.
Castillo's condition was upgraded to fair Wednesday, and he is expected to recover fully. The family has set up a website to help with medical bills. Though "regular" capacity magazines in a "normal" capacity Glock could have benefited Mr. Castillo.


Babyface Nelson was shot 17 times before he killed the 2 agents that shot him, then he went home. (Only to die later that evening)

Read the headline twice, think about it:
Angel Alvarez, hit 23 times in Harlem shootout with cops, held without bail on weapons charges

took 23 shots to "stop" him ... he's going to jail now

[WildBill]

IMO, the association between gun ownership and hunting was a way for pro-gun organizations to make gun ownership more palatable to the general public. This association backfired when the anti gun people started asking "do you need a semi-automatic rifle for hunting deer?"

Last week I heard on a conservative radio talkshow that no one other than military and LEOs should be able to have 100 round drum magazines. The premise was that civilians had no "legitimate need" for this product.

I don't know much about this AR-15s, but do law enforcement or the armed forces use 100 round magazines? I have no need for this product, and most gun owners don't either. I can't find a tactical advantage to having a 100 round or any magazine that has malfunctions.

[RPB]

True; the hunting was to pacify/explain/justify; but long before gun organizations existed a judge used it to pacify the white settlers near the Indians who exercised their right as recognized by the Treaty of Middle Plantation prior to the Declaration of Independence being written. In conjunction with not being deprived of property (upon which they lived, and hunted for food in order to survive) without due process. Without hunting with firearms, they couldn't exist on their property and it would be a "constructive eviction" from their property.

The first I recall of gun rights relationship to "hunting"

The Governor politician CLAIMED he had no power to intervene, but the Indians certainly had the right to keep and bear arms .... in fact they used them for hunting that's how they survived eating what they hunted on their own land, if they can't have their guns, they can't hunt, they would have to leave their property to get food... and he sent a letter to that effect

[WildBill]

True; the hunting was to pacify/explain/justify; but long before gun organizations existed.

The first I recall of gun rights relationship to "hunting"

The Governor politician CLAIMED he had no power to intervene, but the Indians certainly had the right to keep and bear arms .... in fact they used them for hunting that's how they survived eating what they hunted on their own land, if they can't have their guns, they can't hunt, they would have to leave their property to get food... and he sent a letter to that effect

If the Indians had claimed they needed firearms to fight a repressive government, that wouldn't have gone over too well.

[RPB]

True; that's why the pre-2 Amendment argument based on Treaty of Middle Plantation was used in conjunction with not being deprived of property ... rather than 2nd amendment and quartering soldiers who didn't want to live in tents anyway

So ... now they own casinos instead of being genocide victims

[Hola Gato]

Like how nobody needs a fuel tank that holds more than 10 quarts to commute?

[AEA]

I explained the 2A has nothing to do with hunting; explained the 3rd Amendment and history and purpose of the 2nd and 3rd

This is the bottom line no matter how the Left wants to spin it.

I guess they are all too busy reading the Affordable Care Act and counting the money they expect to get from it to read the Constitution!

[C-dub]

IMO, the association between gun ownership and hunting was a way for pro-gun organizations to make gun ownership more palatable to the general public. This association backfired when the anti gun people started asking "do you need a semi-automatic rifle for hunting deer?"

Last week I heard on a conservative radio talkshow that no one other than military and LEOs should be able to have 100 round drum magazines. The premise was that civilians had no "legitimate need" for this product.

I don't know much about this AR-15s, but do law enforcement or the armed forces use 100 round magazines? I have no need for this product, and most gun owners don't either. I can't find a tactical advantage to having a 100 round or any magazine that has malfunctions.

And I think that's exactly why the military and police do not want them either. A 100 round drum mag is a novelty item and as you have already deduced, useless for tactical or practical purposes. I've seen them, but now I can't imagine loading a hundred rounds in one and inserting it into my rifle. Man, that would be heavy. I'll stick to the 30 rounders and am even considering get one or two of the smaller 20 rounders.

[sjfcontrol]

IMO, the association between gun ownership and hunting was a way for pro-gun organizations to make gun ownership more palatable to the general public. This association backfired when the anti gun people started asking "do you need a semi-automatic rifle for hunting deer?"

Last week I heard on a conservative radio talkshow that no one other than military and LEOs should be able to have 100 round drum magazines. The premise was that civilians had no "legitimate need" for this product.

I don't know much about this AR-15s, but do law enforcement or the armed forces use 100 round magazines? I have no need for this product, and most gun owners don't either. I can't find a tactical advantage to having a 100 round or any magazine that has malfunctions.

And I think that's exactly why the military and police do not want them either. A 100 round drum mag is a novelty item and as you have already deduced, useless for tactical or practical purposes. I've seen them, but now I can't imagine loading a hundred rounds in one and inserting it into my rifle. Man, that would be heavy. I'll stick to the 30 rounders and am even considering get one or two of the smaller 20 rounders.

Not only is it heavy, but it takes forever to load.

[Divided Attention]

I forget sometimes how uninformed some people are and the strength of the media. Went to the gun show with FIL and BIL this weekend. They were "disturbed by the number of automatic weapons available for purchase". I answered - "There were no automatic weapons there" - and was met with a shocked look. Then hubby clarified what they were thinking - the EBR number was high as is usual! They saw these as automatic weapons. They now know better, and know what it takes to get an automatic weapon or even a "select fire" weapon. Funny how being involved in a community you take a lot for granted for those that are on the fringe or not in the midst .

[WildBill]

I forget sometimes how uninformed some people are and the strength of the media.

Ignorance and bias are a dangerous combination.

[sjfcontrol]

I forget sometimes how uninformed some people are and the strength of the media. Went to the gun show with FIL and BIL this weekend. They were "disturbed by the number of automatic weapons available for purchase". I answered - "There were no automatic weapons there" - and was met with a shocked look. Then hubby clarified what they were thinking - the EBR number was high as is usual! They saw these as automatic weapons. They now know better, and know what it takes to get an automatic weapon or even a "select fire" weapon. Funny how being involved in a community you take a lot for granted for those that are on the fringe or not in the midst .

Would that be "Experimental Breeder Reactor, or Extended Boot Record"? Afraid I'm not familiar with he TLA.

[RPB]

Evil Black Rifle

Any rifle which is black, therefore an assault rifle and intrinsically evil and capable of more damage since they shoot hundreds of bullets really fast, more than one in a wood colored stock which are for hunting, like the constitution intended.

As far as I know Calico makes guns which can use 2 magazines, the low capacity 50 round one or the higher capacity 100 round one. choice or pistol, rifle carbine ... all are fun.

IMHO, these hi capacity mags may be safer when taking kids to a range since each time one gun runs dry, they all need to stop while that one is reloaded.

People with only one hand enjoy not having to try to refill magazines as often at the range with one hand when a range charges by the hour
There are lots of legitimate uses for the range use of normal capacity, rather than reduced crippled capacity mags.

One is a person with limited use of one hand/arm having to try to change crippled capacity mags when fighting 2 or 5 robbers because some idiot in Washington though he'd be safer by passing a law limiting his Glock mag to 10 instead "allowing him" to use a the 17 +3 magazine extension

As a person with only one hand, I'd be suing the government in such situation under Americans With Disabilities Act.

[WildBill]

Evil Black Rifle

Any rifle which is black, therefore an assault rifle and intrinsically evil and capable of more damage than one in a wood colored stock

I wondered about that myself. I told you I didn't know much about AR-15s. What about a camo AR-15?

[sjfcontrol]

Evil Black Rifle

Any rifle which is black, therefore an assault rifle and intrinsically evil and capable of more damage than one in a wood colored stock

I wondered about that myself. I told you I didn't know much about AR-15s. What about a camo AR-15?

I guess that would be an "IEBR" -- Invisible Evil Black Rifle