Wondering how a 51 year old has 50+ years of experience in shooting?barstoolguru wrote:you can take me as you wish and I hold no animosity, this is a” discussion board” and that is what we are doing so hate the massage and not the messenger.
In all fairness I made a statement and backed it with some proof of why I thought it was correct. It may not sit well with others but then there are a lot of things in life that don't.
My statements are just that, they are based on my 50 something years of shooting, hunting, military training and small business owner, hand loading and reading.
Small guns are fine but in MY option they don't have what it takes to be a defense gun. Unlike some of you I don't sell a service or product so I can be objective, condescending, opinionated... and whatever else you said but one other thing you need to add to the list is HONEST, I am not one to sell something and give them a false sense of hope thinking it is going to do the job.
At any given time I never said don't buy a small gun, I have a few of them but IMO they don't have what it takes to be defense gun. Too many times we are accommodating..."I want a pink one that one is too big it won't fit in my purse, I can't wear my hip huggers if I have to carry that.
We see this all the time in civilian life and the military too. ONE of the reasons the army went to a 9mm is because new recruits can’t handle a .45 so we accommodated them.
I wonder when someone has a class of older people and told them that a small gun won’t do any good as far as creating enough “neural shock” to the nervous system to STOP a threat or that 25 auto won’t stop drugged up crack head on a 4 day high and was looking for more money because it doesn’t create enough tissue damage to do so would they recommend the class or come back?
one thing I can say about my CCW class instructor he was honest about guns and their ability to do what we carry for and that is small guns are worthless in defense situations. there is a reason why the state of Texas has a minim on the size of the gun you can qualify with and that is the same reason I am against them too.
Anyone can sell you “peace of mind” but are they going to be there when that “peace of mind” fails?
It is a shame that you judge another by the number of posts, instead of the context of those posts. so what I will do is give you the same challenge you gave me. Show one quote or article of another known writer that says a .22, .25, .32 are great self-defense guns. Just an FYI all of the calibers you say are good defense guns started out as rim fire cartages and where made for indoor shooting; pallor games for the richthe member that have been here on a regular & daily basis for yrs & for several thousand posts vs a relatively new member w/ 300+ posts at this time.
As for Texas having a minimum caliber for CHL proficiency...yes, the minimum required is a 32. I don't recall anyone saying any smaller caliber to be a "great defense gun" whatsoever. NO ONE has denied bigger is better. And no, the Army did not go to the 9mm because they couldn't handle .45's...it was about cost and higher capacity.
As far as any studies showing smaller calibers producing neural shock, the recent 10 year study that has been all over gun forums does just that, http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for being invented for games.... don't know where you are getting that. 32 was created by Browning and used in military and police in Europe for years. In fact, the Arch Duke Ferdinand was assassinated with one. .22 was invented for hunting. The .22 Colibri (powderless) was used for indoors.
Bars, you keep saying folks are saying things no one has said. No one, and I was the op, has said any smaller round were GREAT defense guns. Never dreamed they were. Would never recommend a .22 or .25 because they are rimfire. Would only think a .32 is "ok" if that is absolutely all they can and will shoot.
