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In my mind this is a horrific situation and the beginning of what could be a very sad time in our history.A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights
Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state's emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.
Moby wrote:I'd bet dollars to doughnuts there's more to this story than meets the eye.
The FBI, Local cops, amd military do not get invovled in petty complaining on FB.
Some where along his FB page a threat must have been made.
I'm always cautious when a "FOR NO REASON AT ALL" story hits the news.
Heartland Patriot wrote:While I am not condoning the authorities detaining this guy without citing some credible threat that he represents, I can't say I'm this guy's biggest fan, either. He seems to be a "9/11 truther"...and I equate that with Rosie O'Donnell screeching words to the effect of "Never in the history of the world has fire ever melted steel"...
But county and federal authorities say it was not an arrest because Raub doesn’t face criminal charges.
The sharpening an ax comment is a line from the Rap song "Bring Me Down."mamabearCali wrote:I read his facebook back for a good ways. There was one post where it is conceivable that one could interpret the post as a threat against the president. Most if it could be interpreted as violent....it could also be interpreted as non violent. A good example is he said "I am sharpening my ax and am going to be cutting heads off"....well that could easily be hyperbole for I am education myself and getting ready to vote people out of office....now if he was actually sharpening an ax and getting ready to attack people, then that is something else. Quite honestly it matters what he meant by it.
What is disturbing to me is that he has not been detained in a way that he can answer what he has been accused of but rather has been put into a mental institution where he has much more limited redress. Even scarier to me is that this happened in my county in VA.
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As long as God allows me to be clever it will never end
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Compulsive obsessive, I'm also aggressive
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22. If I spent time in a psychiatric care facility in the 1980s, will I be eligible for a license?
Past psychiatric treatment does not necessarily make you ineligible. Eligibility for a concealed handgun license depends on whether or not your hospitalization in the psychiatric facility was a result of a court order, a board commitment, or a determination that you lacked the mental capacity to contract or manage your own affairs. If you voluntarily entered into the facility for treatment you may be eligible. Court ordered commitment for psychiatric treatment or court order outpatient treatment will make you ineligible since you have been legally adjudicated as a mental defective under the Gun Control Act 18 USC §922(g)(4). Eligibility will also depend on whether or not you were granted a relief of disabilities under the NICS Improvement Amendment Act. If you have spent time in a psychiatric care facility, you should attach a letter to your application from a licensed psychiatrist stating that your “condition is in remission and is not reasonably likely to develop at a future time,” as stated in the concealed handgun law. Please note, that you are required to list all psychiatric treatment or diagnoses on your application
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That's part of the game being played. Action is taken that will outrage any normal person and that outrage is used to justify the incarceration. The psychobabblers can use ANY behavior against you --you could be calm and level headed and they can turn that around on you and say a normal person would be outraged. There was no way this Marine was going to pass the initial evaluation because he is a political prisoner incarcerated for political reasons and it was decided that he would be incarcerated BEFORE any evaluation was conducted. They chose the psych route because they knew they couldn't get away with criminal charges (it's an end run around the law), and because the pysch evaluation serves the additional purpose of discrediting the target, FOREVER. This incident, and I suspect the one your friend experienced, illustrate the fact that the rule-of-law is dead and we're living is Post-Constitutional America.philip964 wrote:I had a friend who was locked up in the Harris County Psych. Center for 30 days. Two people made a written complaint to a judge that he was crazy. A warrant was signed and he was arrested. (yep can happen to you)
This is the important thing to remember, pass the initial evaluation at the Center. (Very important make a mental note to yourself)
If he had, he would have been immediately released. However, as you might imagine he was quite upset about being arrested and did not pass the initial evaluation with the doctor. Therefore, he got 30 days to be under their care and "calm down".
I suspect this person in the story also failed the initial evaluation.
Jim Beaux wrote:I fear my government & dont trust it, but I think I will wait and let this thing develop and hopefully get more info.
Many clowns make ambiguous threats against the president & as a matter of routine, the secret service visits and questions the clown and generally that is the end of it. I have to believe that this guy was questioned & his answers caused enough alarm to warrant further action. In situations like this, LEO's are sometimes damned if they do and damned if they dont...
and then I remember the police adage, "you may be the rap but you wont beat the ride"....
