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[Broncrider]

Hey all, I am looking for legal information regarding carry onto oil and gas leases. I work for a company and drive a company vehicle, I know what the consequences are for carrying in a company owned vehicle, as the handbook states no firearms allowed. however my question is more specifically the legal consequences of carrying onto a location where we are working. I would like to know any info you guys can come up with. I travel a long ways from home and do not like being without my carry weapon.

[WildBill]

I would think that depends on the owner of the property that you are visiting.

[rm9792]

I don't recall seeing any mention of leases in the law. It will be a private property issue and I don't really see any property owners posting.

[gregthehand]

No laws against it.

[Broncrider]

Thanks for the information guys. i searched and found lots of information but it made the subject very unclear. I have not been able to find any specific statute to say whether it was legal or illegal.

[apostate]

Thanks for the information guys. i searched and found lots of information but it made the subject very unclear. I have not been able to find any specific statute to say whether it was legal or illegal.

That's because there are no laws (AFAIK) which make an oil or gas lease off limits, but a private property owner may post effective 30.06 notice for their property. In addition, the parking lot law protections do not apply to "property owned or controlled by a person, other than the employer, that is subject to a valid, unexpired oil, gas, or other mineral lease that contains a provision prohibiting the possession of firearms on the property" nor do they apply to a company vehicle, as you said.

[Jim Beaux]

There are a bunch of deer blinds on the right aways!

[SRH78]

Actually, oil leases and chemical production facilities are illegal to carry on. I don't recall offhand exactly where that is written but I have seen it.

[SRH78]

After a quick search, it looks like I am mistaken as what I found was references to such locations being exempt from SB 321, the "parking lot" bill.

[Crossfire]

Hey all, I am looking for legal information regarding carry onto oil and gas leases. I work for a company and drive a company vehicle, I know what the consequences are for carrying in a company owned vehicle, as the handbook states no firearms allowed. however my question is more specifically the legal consequences of carrying onto a location where we are working. I would like to know any info you guys can come up with. I travel a long ways from home and do not like being without my carry weapon.

If your employer does not allow carry in the company vehicle, then how do you plan to get your weapon to the property?

[Broncrider]

Hey all, I am looking for legal information regarding carry onto oil and gas leases. I work for a company and drive a company vehicle, I know what the consequences are for carrying in a company owned vehicle, as the handbook states no firearms allowed. however my question is more specifically the legal consequences of carrying onto a location where we are working. I would like to know any info you guys can come up with. I travel a long ways from home and do not like being without my carry weapon.

If your employer does not allow carry in the company vehicle, then how do you plan to get your weapon to the property?

what I said is: that I know what those consequences would be. I just wasn't sure what the consequences of carrying on location would be. and as far as anybody would know, I would not be carrying in the vehicle(concealed is concealed).

[Keith B]

Hey all, I am looking for legal information regarding carry onto oil and gas leases. I work for a company and drive a company vehicle, I know what the consequences are for carrying in a company owned vehicle, as the handbook states no firearms allowed. however my question is more specifically the legal consequences of carrying onto a location where we are working. I would like to know any info you guys can come up with. I travel a long ways from home and do not like being without my carry weapon.

If your employer does not allow carry in the company vehicle, then how do you plan to get your weapon to the property?

what I said is: that I know what those consequences would be. I just wasn't sure what the consequences of carrying on location would be. and as far as anybody would know, I would not be carrying in the vehicle(concealed is concealed).

The legality falls into if you are a CHL given proper 30.06 notice to not carry, or if you have been verbally told to not carry by the landowner (oil lease property owner) or someone of authority over the location. If you have, then you could be charged with criminal trespass. If none of the above, then there is no legal restriction that would prevent you from carrying, just your company policy where you could be fired.

[gemini]

Hey all, I am looking for legal information regarding carry onto oil and gas leases. I work for a company and drive a company vehicle, I know what the consequences are for carrying in a company owned vehicle, as the handbook states no firearms allowed. however my question is more specifically the legal consequences of carrying onto a location where we are working. I would like to know any info you guys can come up with. I travel a long ways from home and do not like being without my carry weapon.

If your employer does not allow carry in the company vehicle, then how do you plan to get your weapon to the property?

what I said is: that I know what those consequences would be. I just wasn't sure what the consequences of carrying on location would be. and as far as anybody would know, I would not be carrying in the vehicle(concealed is concealed).

The legality falls into if you are a CHL given proper 30.06 notice to not carry, or if you have been verbally told to not carry by the landowner (oil lease property owner) or someone of authority over the location. If you have, then you could be charged with criminal trespass. If none of the above, then there is no legal restriction that would prevent you from carrying, just your company policy where you could be fired.

There are many variations of the "standard" oil lease. They might include certain water rights, gate locations, drilling depths or even a restriction banning any firearm being carried onto the property. Your company may have a blanket policy in place of no firearms in order to comply with the terms of some leases.
I think the "consequences" of carrying on location, if discovered, would be that 1. you'd probably get fired and 2. as a company employee, representing the company, the company has now violated the terms of the lease. (bring on the lawyers!)
I certainly understand why you want to carry. But, it comes down to how much you want to keep your job, or not, if discovered. Good luck.
***Just out of curiosity; are you servicing existing equipment, new drilling, inspecting meters etc. and which play/area?

[The Annoyed Man]

Thanks for the information guys. i searched and found lots of information but it made the subject very unclear. I have not been able to find any specific statute to say whether it was legal or illegal.

That's because, generally speaking, there are no laws that "make something legal," only laws that "make something illegal." Anything which is "not made illegal" is "legal." So you will only find statutes that make something illegal. Generally speaking, a thing becomes legal either by A) removing the law which made it illegal, or B) by modifying the existing law to provide a defense to prosecution in certain circumstances, or providing limited permission under certain circumstances.....i.e. CHL. It is still illegal to carry a concealed weapon, but the CHL gets you around that.

[Jim Beaux]

The below links may help.

Personal firearm lawfully carried by a commercial motor vehicle http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/portal/site/PH ... tfmt=print

49 CFR http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/te ... rv2_02.tpl

29 CFR http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owasrch ... value=1910

For the record, (and as you already know), no industrial facility will allow firearms on their property mainly for the reason of liability. When going on site, I leave mine in a locked box secured by a cable in the motel.