AndyC wrote:People want the quick-fix - it's easier to throw money at a problem by buying gadgets (or adopt "zero-tolerance policies" or install parental control software) than be bothered to either think or actually be responsible for doing something. Bloody silly idea.
Actually, this is all about money. The money is what the school gets from the State for student attendance days. What the tracking ID provides is evidence that the student was actually on campus that day so that the school district gets paid.
Oh, I understand the money-trail. What I'm wondering is.... why aren't teachers manually taking/reporting attendance?
The district loses $175,000 a day in state funding because of tardy or absent kids. Tracking the ones who just didn’t make it to first period may be a big payoff.
The district bean-counters expect to gain more than $250,000 in attendance revenue from the state, and $1.2 million from Medicaid, because the district will be tracking special-needs kids, too.
So $.5M for implementation versus $1.2M in Medicaid revenue. It would be interesting to see how that works. The kid's civil rights are being sold away for Federal dollars. What a novel concept.
You realize a reader has to be within inches of the card to scan it. Nobody will be tracking the kids away from school.
Just want to add that I work in a secured area. I've been carrying a card with RFID for 20 years and have to pass it in front of a scanner to get any door at work open. When I leave work, nobody knows where I am unless they track my smart phone which all the kids love to carry.
UHF tags have the highest range of all tags. It ranges from 3-6 meters for passive tags and 30+ meters for active tags
It depends on which level of RFIDs are being used.
Animal tagging is quite common at large farms to keep track of their moving "property"
In order to use them on SA campuses, more wide ranging systems are needed. There is nothing to prevent non-school officials from duplicating the antenna systems. I'll take my tin foil hat off now.
TxRVer wrote:You realize a reader has to be within inches of the card to scan it. Nobody will be tracking the kids away from school.
Just want to add that I work in a secured area. I've been carrying a card with RFID for 20 years and have to pass it in front of a scanner to get any door at work open. When I leave work, nobody knows where I am unless they track my smart phone which all the kids love to carry.
So why have the chip at all? To prove that it is a "real" school ID? Really? (Sarcasm to follow) Cause we all know these crazy kids these days manufacturing fake school id's.
Are the kids accessing secure work locations? Not likely. So why put a chip in it at all. To ensure they are in class.....how do they do that if it cannot be tracked? Why does anyone think that this will work better than taking roll? Why take the extra expense? Stop wasting $$.
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On the subject of cost, I can buy NFC or RFID tags for less than a dollar each, in single digit quantities. Buying in bulk drives the cost way down and wouldn't add much to the cost of a photo ID card.
TxRVer wrote:You realize a reader has to be within inches of the card to scan it. Nobody will be tracking the kids away from school.
Just want to add that I work in a secured area. I've been carrying a card with RFID for 20 years and have to pass it in front of a scanner to get any door at work open. When I leave work, nobody knows where I am unless they track my smart phone which all the kids love to carry.
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Back OT, I also have an RFID tag for opening doors, not sure this is the same kind if they are using it to track kids around school. My key card has to be within inches to open the door, but the way this is being presented it seems they can see where kids are going down hall ways and into libraries and cafeterias. I know some stores use RFID to track items in their stores, so maybe the same type of system.
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That is an adults hand.....not a child's. Big difference between an adult choosing to work in a place that mandates a tracking ID and the govt mandating that children, forced to be in school under penalty of law, have a trackable ID. Big difference.
So lets say this is a ridiculous electronic roll call ( which again is easily negated by an industrious student). Let's say the chips are cheap.......how cheap are the scanners? Even if it is all pennies and has no tracking ability whatsoever. I still call baloney on it because it will be a crutch and they will lose students because of their dependence on it rather than on their own eyes and ears. Get your doggone head out of the electronic roll call, look your kids in the eye and teach a few kof them how to read, write and use multiplication tables.
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TxRVer wrote:You realize a reader has to be within inches of the card to scan it. Nobody will be tracking the kids away from school.
Just want to add that I work in a secured area. I've been carrying a card with RFID for 20 years and have to pass it in front of a scanner to get any door at work open. When I leave work, nobody knows where I am unless they track my smart phone which all the kids love to carry.
Hey Charlie, good to see you here. We need to go riding again sometime.
Back OT, I also have an RFID tag for opening doors, not sure this is the same kind if they are using it to track kids around school. My key card has to be within inches to open the door, but the way this is being presented it seems they can see where kids are going down hall ways and into libraries and cafeterias. I know some stores use RFID to track items in their stores, so maybe the same type of system.
I don't condone the use of tinfoil, but I will keep my supply rotated so it stays fresh.
If they are using the active tags and have over-lapping scanner areas what they can do is send out a ping and every chip will respond. They could ping a classroom, hall, etc and tell exactly who is there. This is what we'll be doing with our IT equipment.
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SRH78 wrote:ID is one thing, tracking is something else entirely.
That's true. If you don't like them tracking your kids, you can send them to a private school with your money. It's a great idea really. Everyone should do it. It would cut my property taxes in half if I didn't have to pay for HISD.
SRH78 wrote:ID is one thing, tracking is something else entirely.
That's true. If you don't like them tracking your kids, you can send them to a private school with your money. It's a great idea really. Everyone should do it. It would cut my property taxes in half if I didn't have to pay for HISD.
You actually think that if enough people sent their children to private schools, HISD would cut your taxes?
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that's the thing....I have homeschooled my kids the whole time and still paid taxes sooooo, basically, I've paid for their education twice, would someone please explain that to me?
Problem is, if I get $ back from the gov't, they're gonna want to tell me what to do with it....sooooooo, I'd just as soon let them keep it and have them keep their nose out of my tent.
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SewTexas wrote:that's the thing....I have homeschooled my kids the whole time and still paid taxes sooooo, basically, I've paid for their education twice, would someone please explain that to me?
Problem is, if I get $ back from the gov't, they're gonna want to tell me what to do with it....sooooooo, I'd just as soon let them keep it and have them keep their nose out of my tent.
this +1
When I used to work for the schools even a private school anything I bought for my class for education was tax deductable, however not for my children that are homeschooled. But if course if it keeps the govt big nose out of my education choices I am good with that.
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AndyC wrote:Oh, I understand the money-trail. What I'm wondering is.... why aren't teachers manually taking/reporting attendance?
Andy, the only ones I can log on my attendance sheet are the ones that show up in my class. It's not unusual to have kids that are dropped off to school by their parents, and either leave campus on their own or with friends, or who are "selective" in which of their classes they attend. The ID readers at the door can alert the administration that one of the darlings is slipping out when he's not supposed to be, or may show what part of the school building they're in when they're skipping classes.
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sooooo, basically, I've paid for their education twice, would someone please explain that to me?