TN - Clueless

[JJVP]

COOKEVILLE — Even if you have a legal gun carry permit, it is still against the law to take a gun onto school property.

A Cookeville mother found that out Wednesday afternoon when she went to an elementary school to pick up her son.

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[Keith B]

Either she slept through class or her instructor did a terrible job. Maybe both for the errors this one made.

[Jumping Frog]

I wonder if she brought her purse into school?

“She stated that she did not have any ammunition, but four rounds were found in her purse inside her vehicle,” the officer’s report says.

She was handcuffed and transported to the Putnam County jail, where her bond was set at $1,000. She has a November 19 court date.

In the warrant that Officer King signed, he included wording from the state law forbidding carrying a weapon onto school property: “It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed any firearm or weapon” on school property.

The warrant notes that the gun was not loaded.

Seems like the court case may hinge on the definition of "unloaded" under Tennessee law, and whether having ammunition "ready at hand" or not is a factor. How does one argue an unloaded handgun is an attempt to go armed?

[Keith B]

I wonder if she brought her purse into school?

“She stated that she did not have any ammunition, but four rounds were found in her purse inside her vehicle,” the officer’s report says.

She was handcuffed and transported to the Putnam County jail, where her bond was set at $1,000. She has a November 19 court date.

In the warrant that Officer King signed, he included wording from the state law forbidding carrying a weapon onto school property: “It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed any firearm or weapon” on school property.

The warrant notes that the gun was not loaded.

Seems like the court case may hinge on the definition of "unloaded" under Tennessee law, and whether having ammunition "ready at hand" or not is a factor. How does one argue an unloaded handgun is an attempt to go armed?

Just like Texas it doesn't make a difference whether loaded or unloaded as there is no distinction made in the statute

39-17-1309. Carrying weapons on school property.

(a) As used in this section, "weapon of like kind" includes razors and razor blades, except those used solely for personal shaving, and any sharp pointed or edged instrument, except unaltered nail files and clips and tools used solely for preparation of food, instruction and maintenance.

(b) (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any firearm, explosive, explosive weapon, bowie knife, hawk bill knife, ice pick, dagger, slingshot, leaded cane, switchblade knife, blackjack, knuckles or any other weapon of like kind, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution.

(2) A violation of this subsection (b) is a Class E felony.

(c) (1) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, any firearm, not used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution. It is not an offense under this subsection (c) for a nonstudent adult to possess a firearm, if the firearm is contained within a private vehicle operated by the adult and is not handled by the adult, or by any other person acting with the expressed or implied consent of the adult, while the vehicle is on school property.

(2) A violation of this subsection (c) is a Class B misdemeanor.

(d) (1) Each chief administrator of a public or private school shall display in prominent locations about the school a sign, at least six inches (6'') high and fourteen inches (14'') wide, stating:

FELONY. STATE LAW PRESCRIBES A MAXIMUM PENALTY OF SIX (6) YEARS IMPRISONMENT AND A FINE NOT TO EXCEED THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($3,000) FOR CARRYING WEAPONS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.

(2) As used in this subsection (d), "prominent locations about a school" includes, but is not limited to, sports arenas, gymnasiums, stadiums and cafeterias.

(e) The provisions of subsections (b) and (c) do not apply to the following persons:

(1) Persons employed in the army, air force, navy, coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard when in discharge of their official duties and acting under orders requiring them to carry arms or weapons;

(2) Civil officers of the United States in the discharge of their official duties;

(3) Officers and soldiers of the militia and the national guard when called into actual service;

(4) Officers of the state, or of any county, city or town, charged with the enforcement of the laws of the state, when in the discharge of their official duties;

(5) Any pupils who are members of the reserve officers training corps or pupils enrolled in a course of instruction or members of a club or team, and who are required to carry arms or weapons in the discharge of their official class or team duties;

(6) Any private police employed by the administration or board of trustees of any public or private institution of higher education in the discharge of their duties; and

(7) Any registered security guard/officer who meets the requirements of title 62, chapter 35, and who is discharging the officer's official duties.

HISTORY: Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 1029, § 8; 1991, ch. 510, §§ 1-3; 1996, ch. 1009, § 24.

[Oldgringo]

When I was a student at what was then TPI in Cookeville in 1960-62, we had guns, and ammo, in the dormitory and it was not only legal, it was okay. We would sometimes go shoot groundhogs after class IF we knew another shooter with a car.

My, how we, as a nation, have progressed!

[Keith B]

When I was a student at what was then TPI in Cookeville in 1960-62, we had guns, and ammo, in the dormitory and it was not only legal, it was okay. We would sometimes go shoot groundhogs after class IF we knew another shooter with a car.

My, how we, as a nation, have digressed!

There, fixed it for you

[Oldgringo]

Either she slept through class or her instructor did a terrible job. Maybe both for the errors this one made.

I think, I'm often either wrong or misunderstood, that a Tennessee concealed carry gizmo requires a modest check to the local Sheriff rather than large fees and class time.

[Keith B]

Either she slept through class or her instructor did a terrible job. Maybe both for the errors this one made.

I think, I'm often either wrong or misunderstood, that a Tennessee concealed carry gizmo requires a modest check to the local Sheriff rather than large fees and class time.

Wrong. Here are the rules

To obtain a handgun carry permit in Tennessee, you must first successfully complete a Handgun Safety Course offered by a handgun safety school that is certified by the Department of Safety. You should then make application at any full service Driver Service Center. You will need to bring with you the original copy of your safety course completion certificate, Proof of US Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency, photo identification such as your Driver License, and $115 NON-REFUNDABLE permit fee. This fee may be paid in cash, money order or with a certified check. If there are no problems with the application and you meet all eligibility requirements, you should receive your permit within 90 days of the date you submit your application. When your application is processed at the Driver Service Center, you will be given instructions on being fingerprinted.

 Effective July 1, 2005, all handgun permit applicants seeking a new permit must provide Proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency. Even though a person has a permit and is authorized to possess or carry a firearm pursuant to T.C.A. 39-17-1315 or 39-17-1351, there are restrictions as to where firearms may be carried. Additional information pertaining to possession of and carrying a firearm are listed by Tennessee Annotated Code and Subject Matter. More information can be obtained online from the Tennessee Annotated Code Lookup

Processing
 Applications are received and reviewed in the Handgun Carry Permit Office.
 Proper documentation is forwarded to three (3) different agencies: (TBI, FBI, County Sheriff).
 Upon a name search approval from TBI, the permit can be issued within ninety (90) days from date of application.
 Upon issuance, the handgun carry permit will be mailed to the applicant.
 Incomplete applications cannot be processed.
 Fees Are Non-Refundable

[Oldgringo]

Either she slept through class or her instructor did a terrible job. Maybe both for the errors this one made.

I think, I'm often either wrong or misunderstood, that a Tennessee concealed carry gizmo requires a modest check to the local Sheriff rather than large fees and class time.

Wrong. Here are the rules

To obtain a handgun carry permit in Tennessee, you must first successfully complete a Handgun Safety Course offered by a handgun safety school that is certified by the Department of Safety. You should then make application at any full service Driver Service Center. You will need to bring with you the original copy of your safety course completion certificate, Proof of US Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency, photo identification such as your Driver License, and $115 NON-REFUNDABLE permit fee. This fee may be paid in cash, money order or with a certified check. If there are no problems with the application and you meet all eligibility requirements, you should receive your permit within 90 days of the date you submit your application. When your application is processed at the Driver Service Center, you will be given instructions on being fingerprinted.

 Effective July 1, 2005, all handgun permit applicants seeking a new permit must provide Proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency. Even though a person has a permit and is authorized to possess or carry a firearm pursuant to T.C.A. 39-17-1315 or 39-17-1351, there are restrictions as to where firearms may be carried. Additional information pertaining to possession of and carrying a firearm are listed by Tennessee Annotated Code and Subject Matter. More information can be obtained online from the Tennessee Annotated Code Lookup

Processing
 Applications are received and reviewed in the Handgun Carry Permit Office.
 Proper documentation is forwarded to three (3) different agencies: (TBI, FBI, County Sheriff).
 Upon a name search approval from TBI, the permit can be issued within ninety (90) days from date of application.
 Upon issuance, the handgun carry permit will be mailed to the applicant.
 Incomplete applications cannot be processed.
 Fees Are Non-Refundable

See? I'm wrong again.

Tennessee must have also recognized its CC permit/license to be a cash cow. My bother, in Nashville, had his Tennessee permit before we had our Texas CH licenses and I'm pretty sure he didn't have any classes or big state fees. Heckfire, he doesn't even have the cool picture ID like we do. Boy, is he in for a big surprise at renewal time...whenever that is.

Oh well, who cares? Our renewals are in the works and their expirations could very well be a moot point.

[tiviti]

Bullard told the officers that she had just taken a “conceal carry course” at Outdoor Junction the previous night

Wait, does this mean she didn't even have an actual license yet?

[KC5AV]

COOKEVILLE — Even if you have a legal gun carry permit, it is still against the law to take a gun onto school property.

A Cookeville mother found that out Wednesday afternoon when she went to an elementary school to pick up her son.

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OT, but I was just driving through there late Sunday night/way too early Sunday morning. I think we stopped to change drivers.

[Keith B]

Bullard told the officers that she had just taken a “conceal carry course” at Outdoor Junction the previous night

Wait, does this mean she didn't even have an actual license yet?

Nope. Just like Texas you have to take the class and submit the paperwork. Like I said, either slept through class or had a really bad instructor.