GUN RETENTION and OPEN CARRY

[RPB]

I'm not worried personally, because
I carry IWB with a strong gun belt and expanding my tummy makes it hard for another person to remove my IWB gun
I also pocket carry, and it's near impossible for another person to remove that gun
I carry concealed No one would think to try to grab my gun anyway; the temptation is not there ...

But still ... Trayvon Martin tried to get a concealed carrier's concealed gun ...

What does concern me .. is people who are untrained in gun retention techniques (and those who are unaware of their surroundings, but want to show off a BBQ gun etc) wanting to open carry in a belt-slide type holster.

I'd hate to have to use my concealed weapon to stop a criminal teen or two who decide it would be fun to steal another licensees openly carried weapon and use it against other, and I'd prefer not to be put in that potential position. I'm too old and too poor to take care of all of the unprepared/unready/unaware and pay the legal costs later. This is an age/time where some teens play knockout/surprise punch "games" I absolutely think they'll think it's fun to get two or more to play "Surprise/take the gun from the unaware guy" game... If you want to provide temptation, just safety pin a couple hundred dollar bills to the back of your shirt, that doesn't endanger others as much as an open carried pistol with no retention device or skillz...

There ... I said it.

Perhaps if Open Carry ever passes, people should at least go to the YouTube school of gun retention
https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+ret ... 16&bih=581" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFoY27smnIg[/youtube]

[AEA]

AWARENESS

There, I said it.......

[The Annoyed Man]

There ... I said it.

Hold up..... Let me get my lawn chair and some popcorn.

[Jaguar]

Do you really believe petty criminal and street toughs would attack a man with a gun on his hip? I guess it could happen, but I have not heard any horror stories from other states with open carry. Are there any news articles you can point to and say, “here is an example of what I am concerned about.”

I know police train in weapon retention, but since I am not a cop I don’t see the need. I don’t plan to arrest anyone, I am not fighting with anyone, and I seriously doubt someone would want to fight a person who is carrying openly. I would hesitate to walk around a bad neighborhood at night with a firearm visible, but then again, I hesitate to do that at all. Situational awareness is key, armed or not, open or concealed. Also, I would not use a holster without retention for open carry, but that’s just me.

So unless you can point to people who are open carrying and being assaulted (not police, it is their job) I will not worry about it.

[RPB]

Do you really believe petty criminal and street toughs would attack a man with a gun on his hip? .

Absolutely, since none of the "men with a gun on their hip" have the police training, the kids and street guys will think it should be as easy as picking pockets, snatching and running with a purse and other common crimes, why wouldn't it be as simple as a purse snatch but more profitable?

You think all open carriers are as well trained in gun retention as a Ninja?
Are all purse-carriers trained in purse retention such that no criminal would dare risk a purse beating?

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=4fFsuROlRN8[/youtube]

[carlson1]

I am not a fan of retention holsters, but if you were going to open carry I believe 100% you would have to have a retention holster.

I do not have any "articles" to point to, but I think it is just common sense.

There ... I said it.

Hold up..... Let me get my lawn chair and some popcorn.

I don't have the popcorn, but I have my diet coke and I am ready to watch.

[steveincowtown]

When I do OC (in VA) I use the Bianchi Carrylok Hip Holster:

http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Pro ... ModelID=82" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I also carry Kbar on my weak side in case someone foolishly decides to attempt to grab my sidearm (whether I am carrying concealed or openly):

http://www.coolebuys.com/-p-352053.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


I think the idea that someone would risk their life to take your sidearm is pretty far fetched, and would love to see any references to news articles etc.

The fact of the matter is that even in OC states, so few people OC that it would be hard for this "game" to ever become a reality.

Although OC in southern VA it is widely accepted, it is not widely practiced.

[RPB]

I have not heard any horror stories from other states with open carry. Are there any news articles you can point to and say, “here is an example of what I am concerned about.”

So unless you can point to people who are open carrying and being assaulted (not police, it is their job) I will not worry about it.

When I do OC (in VA) I use the Bianchi Carrylok Hip Holster:

http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Pro ... ModelID=82" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I also carry Kbar on my weak side in case someone foolishly decides to attempt to grab my sidearm (whether I am carrying concealed or openly):

http://www.coolebuys.com/-p-352053.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


I think the idea that someone would risk their life to take your sidearm is pretty far fetched, and would love to see any references to news articles etc.

The fact of the matter is that even in OC states, so few people OC that it would be hard for this "game" to ever become a reality.

Although OC in southern VA it is widely accepted, it is not widely practiced.

less than a few seconds here's one example
Open carrier attacked, loses gun
http://utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic ... 23&t=11175" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


and another example

Open Carry Dude Robbed of His Gun.
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/inde ... 73860.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=zx_YUO4SzcY[/youtube]

and another example
Open Carrier Shot And Killed When Gun Taken By Thug

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php? ... n-by-thug/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


So ...I would worry about it...

RE:
Deterrence factor of open carry
While it is true that it's not wise to tug on Superman's cape ... BUT how many criminals are actually wise? In fact, knowing that bullets bounce off him, most shot at him ....

Here's one more example out of probably many many more ...
http://www.saysuncle.com/2011/12/06/ope ... h-own-gun/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but his handgun was plainly visible that night in his holster, Johnson said.
“The suspects walk in and one immediately reached for Mr. Tyler’s gun,” Johnson said.

[Chris]

I would never open carry with anything less than a full-on duty holster and a solid leather belt. I almost got a couple fingers broken, but if I'd had anything less, that gun would not have stayed in my possession if not for the holster and belt I was wearing.

[jordanmills]

Do you really believe petty criminal and street toughs would attack a man with a gun on his hip? .

Absolutely, since none of the "men with a gun on their hip" have the police training,

police training, lawl

Have you ever seen the average cop at a gun range?

[RPB]

Those kydex Paddle holsters are easy to put on and comfortable to wear but ...
Watch how quickly and easily you can lose your open carry gun (and half your holster)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDeKtgkZKmQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Making Open Carry Safer Massad Ayoob | Sep 03, 2009
http://www.gundigest.com/gun-accessory- ... ry_safer_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good article for anyone wanting to open carry that can't do a flying Ninja Scissors kick while wrapping legs around bad guy's head to take him to the ground while using the lobster grip on his hand trying to take your gun and using the other hand in snake style eye removal ... in other words , nearly everyone who intends to open carry ever.

Don't put me in the position of having to get half your kydex paddle holster back for you ...

[Keith B]

Do you really believe petty criminal and street toughs would attack a man with a gun on his hip? .

Absolutely, since none of the "men with a gun on their hip" have the police training,

police training, lawl

Have you ever seen the average cop at a gun range?

Cops use retention holsters

[RPBrown]

I'm bringing nachos for this one

[Jaguar]

Maybe it is a larger problem than I presumed, I stand corrected. I was not been able to find anything with a cursory search on Google.

Still, I don’t see a large problem unless you are one of the few examples listed. There is no “blood in the streets” due to people who are open carrying getting shot with their own guns. 42 other states allow it, 26 of which do not require a license.

My BBQ and range holster is open top, but I doubt I have much to fear in my own back yard. I would not feel comfortable open carrying without a retention holster secured on my belt, especially in large cities. I don’t feel comfortable in large cities anyway which is probably why I’m a country bumpkin, and OC would not be an issue out here in the sticks.

[AEA]