Smart guns? Microstamping? They're going for it all!

[fickman]

Most of the gun rights groups have been so worried about AR-15s, high capacity magazines, NFA registration, and databases, that I was blindsided by this article:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/186536591.html

Vice President Joe Biden said Friday he's interested in technology that would keep a gun from being fired by anyone other than the person who bought it.

The Smart Guns that have been made are notoriously unreliable, especially for emergency self defense situations. The more advanced theoretical smart guns - in addition to being less reliable - don't even exist yet.

I won't be surprised if they're starting offer is:
- Ban private sales without background check and FFL transfer
- Force employers, insurers, or health care providers to turn in people being seen for depression, anxiety, and true mental illnesses
- Full registration of all firearms
- New AWB (1-feature) including high-capacity magazines with no grandfathering
- Microstamping of bullets

They'll go for it all in anticipation of the NRA fight, thinking they'll land with:
- new AWB (with grandfathering, but banning transfers, so all banned firearms are removed within one generation)
- Ban private sales without background check and FFL
- some registration

I also wouldn't be surprised if they try to dismantle NICS and push it back to a longer, more manual and drawn-out process.

I started a new thread because it was the first I'd seen smart guns added to the conversation (and I'm adding microstamping, since it's the next logical step for them when looking towards technological constraints).

[JALLEN]

Microstamping is the law in California right now. It will be effective when it can be shown to work. So far, last I heard anyway, that's the problem.

[fickman]

They'll try to ban what they can and price the masses out of whatever is left.

[smtimelevi]

I'm hoping that if they try to ban every gun there is and ammo people will see this non sense for what it is and laugh these dorks out of a job.

[VMI77]

Most of the gun rights groups have been so worried about AR-15s, high capacity magazines, NFA registration, and databases, that I was blindsided by this article:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/186536591.html

Vice President Joe Biden said Friday he's interested in technology that would keep a gun from being fired by anyone other than the person who bought it.

The Smart Guns that have been made are notoriously unreliable, especially for emergency self defense situations. The more advanced theoretical smart guns - in addition to being less reliable - don't even exist yet.

I won't be surprised if they're starting offer is:
- Ban private sales without background check and FFL transfer
- Force employers, insurers, or health care providers to turn in people being seen for depression, anxiety, and true mental illnesses
- Full registration of all firearms
- New AWB (1-feature) including high-capacity magazines with no grandfathering
- Microstamping of bullets

They'll go for it all in anticipation of the NRA fight, thinking they'll land with:
- new AWB (with grandfathering, but banning transfers, so all banned firearms are removed within one generation)
- Ban private sales without background check and FFL
- some registration

I also wouldn't be surprised if they try to dismantle NICS and push it back to a longer, more manual and drawn-out process.

I started a new thread because it was the first I'd seen smart guns added to the conversation (and I'm adding microstamping, since it's the next logical step for them when looking towards technological constraints).

Law enforcement and the military needs to use them too then...they should set the example: especially law enforcement. We don't want a criminal to get an officer's gun and use it against the officer or someone else. In fact, if the ban is on "weapons of war" that we don't want on "our streets" then there is absolutely no reason for law enforcement to have such weapons since law enforcement doesn't fight wars, the military does. AThey should have even less need for them than an ordinary citizen, since they have special training and backup that we don't have.

[JALLEN]

Aren't they showing a rifle at CES this week that can't miss, even at 700 yards, computerized, laserized, etc.?

[sjfcontrol]

Aren't they showing a rifle at CES this week that can't miss, even at 700 yards, computerized, laserized, etc.?

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[olafpfj]

They'll try to ban what they can and price the masses out of whatever is left.

Which is exactly the rationale of the 1934 NFA. The NFA (afaik) didn't actually ban anything, it just made the affected firearms cost prohibitive for most and allowed LEO to arrest "gangsters", who could afford it, for not having the tax stamp. The price was $200 and it is still $200. This worked quite well since no "gangster" would be fool enough to register his Tommy Gun and the average citizen couldn't afford the $200.

I believe Feinstein has decided to go with what has worked in the past and try it again with her reclassification trick. Its actually a brilliant tactic on her part and there is precedent. It is technically not a ban but in practice it is. If I had to pay $200 for my 2 rifles that might be on the list and all my >10 round magazines, I would have to sell almost all of them. Assuming I would even be allowed to do that!

[Andrew]

Aren't they showing a rifle at CES this week that can't miss, even at 700 yards, computerized, laserized, etc.?

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Kinda takes all of the fun out of it!