Employer Weapons Policy

[EKO]

Thought I would post this from Company policy. Seams pretty Innocuous.

It is the objective of -------------- (the "Company") to provide a safe and productive
work environment by prohibiting the possession of weapons on its premises.

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"Company Premises" includes, but is not limited to, Company owned, rented, used or leased office
buildings and other properties, including lodging furnished or paid for by the Company; Company work
site locations, offices, parking garages, and/or parking lots; or Company-owned, -leased or -rented
vehicles, aircraft, vessels or equipment.

All employees, vendors, suppliers, contractors, subcontractors, tenants and visitors are prohibited from
using, possessing or concealing any weapons, whether licensed or not, on Company Premises.

Exceptions shall be implemented in those locations where all or part of this Policy conflicts with state law,
to the extent necessary to bring this Policy into compliance with state law.

Now comes the rub

Addenda

with a form to be signed

1. The employee must complete and have on file with --------------- Security
Operations Center or Human Resources (as determined by local
management) a current Firearm Approval Form. It is the employee's
responsibility to request the form and ensure it does not expire.
2. The employee must attest on the Firearm Approval Form that he or she
holds a license to carry a concealed handgun, and otherwise lawfully
possesses a firearm or ammunition to be stored in his or her vehicle at the
time the Firearm Approval Form is submitted. A copy of the Concealed
Handgun License will be attached to the Firearm Approval Form. Any
false statements made by the employee on the Firearm Approval Form
will subject the offending employee to immediate discharge or dismissal.
3. At all times, the firearm must be kept in a locked case or locked container
within the vehicle and hidden from plain view. In addition, the vehicle in
which the firearm is stored must also be locked.
4. At most locations, a specific parking area, outside the secured and
restricted area, will be designated for persons storing firearms in their
vehicles to park. Employees storing a firearm or ammunition in their
vehicles must park only in that area.
5. When a firearm is stored in an employee's vehicle, the employee must not
return to his or her vehicle at any time during the day, other than to exit
the premises, without first obtaining express authorization from his or her
Supervisor.

This company has Unsecured and secured parking. Weapons not allowed in secured area per Federal and State law.

My decision has been made, Concealed is concealed

comments?

[RX8er]

I would not sign any form and concealed is concealed. Just know that they have the right to terminate if they find out otherwise.

[C-dub]

I would not sign any form and concealed is concealed. Just know that they have the right to terminate if they find out otherwise.

If they state that as a reason for termination and as long as he was in the non-secure lot I don't think they do have that right to terminate him. That would be in violation of the Parking Lot Law.

[RX8er]

I would not sign any form and concealed is concealed. Just know that they have the right to terminate if they find out otherwise.

If they state that as a reason for termination and as long as he was in the non-secure lot I don't think they do have that right to terminate him. That would be in violation of the Parking Lot Law.

Agreed, I was not clear in my statement. I was meaning CC inside during work.

[C-dub]

Texas' right to work status and an employers' right to terminate an employee for no reason is rarely used IMHO. I think that so many companies are afraid of wrongful termination lawsuits that they go through many hoops to justifiably terminate someone in order to minimize those suits. I am unaware of anyone in my own company being terminated without very thorough documentation of the reason they are terminated. They might go to great lengths to find another reason to terminate someone other than the real cause, but I doubt that many are terminated without any reason being given.

[RX8er]

Texas' right to work status and an employers' right to terminate an employee for no reason is rarely used IMHO. I think that so many companies are afraid of wrongful termination lawsuits that they go through many hoops to justifiably terminate someone in order to minimize those suits. I am unaware of anyone in my own company being terminated without very thorough documentation of the reason they are terminated. They might go to great lengths to find another reason to terminate someone other than the real cause, but I doubt that many are terminated without any reason being given.

How large is your company?

In my job, I am involved with very small companies to the Fortune 10 companies. The larger you get, the more proof they tend to get before termination. In some small companies, I have seen employees let go because the owner doesn't like their taste in dogs. This is not a joke!

[C-dub]

How large is your company?

In my job, I am involved with very small companies to the Fortune 10 companies. The larger you get, the more proof they tend to get before termination. In some small companies, I have seen employees let go because the owner doesn't like their taste in dogs. This is not a joke!

We have about 1,200 employees all located in North/Central Texas. I wouldn't get rid of someone for their choice in breeds, but maybe why they like a particular breed. But, I wouldn't state that.

[Wodathunkit]

Thought I would post this from Company policy. Seams pretty Innocuous.

It is the objective of -------------- (the "Company") to provide a safe and productive
work environment by prohibiting the possession of weapons on its premises.

.

"Company Premises" includes, but is not limited to, Company owned, rented, used or leased office
buildings and other properties, including lodging furnished or paid for by the Company; Company work
site locations, offices, parking garages, and/or parking lots; or Company-owned, -leased or -rented
vehicles, aircraft, vessels or equipment.

All employees, vendors, suppliers, contractors, subcontractors, tenants and visitors are prohibited from
using, possessing or concealing any weapons, whether licensed or not, on Company Premises.

Exceptions shall be implemented in those locations where all or part of this Policy conflicts with state law,
to the extent necessary to bring this Policy into compliance with state law.

Now comes the rub

Addenda

with a form to be signed

1. The employee must complete and have on file with --------------- Security
Operations Center or Human Resources (as determined by local
management) a current Firearm Approval Form. It is the employee's
responsibility to request the form and ensure it does not expire.
2. The employee must attest on the Firearm Approval Form that he or she
holds a license to carry a concealed handgun, and otherwise lawfully
possesses a firearm or ammunition to be stored in his or her vehicle at the
time the Firearm Approval Form is submitted. A copy of the Concealed
Handgun License will be attached to the Firearm Approval Form. Any
false statements made by the employee on the Firearm Approval Form
will subject the offending employee to immediate discharge or dismissal.
3. At all times, the firearm must be kept in a locked case or locked container
within the vehicle and hidden from plain view. In addition, the vehicle in
which the firearm is stored must also be locked.
4. At most locations, a specific parking area, outside the secured and
restricted area, will be designated for persons storing firearms in their
vehicles to park. Employees storing a firearm or ammunition in their
vehicles must park only in that area.
5. When a firearm is stored in an employee's vehicle, the employee must not
return to his or her vehicle at any time during the day, other than to exit
the premises, without first obtaining express authorization from his or her
Supervisor.

This company has Unsecured and secured parking. Weapons not allowed in secured area per Federal and State law.

My decision has been made, Concealed is concealed

comments?

Your going to the slammer! Did you read the form to submit to security? IMO, WAY too much personal info given. (Full disclosure folks, mr. EKO and I work together.

[RX8er]

And what company is it. I want to make sure that don't visit them.

All employees, vendors, suppliers, contractors, subcontractors, tenants and visitors are prohibited from
using, possessing or concealing any weapons, whether licensed or not, on Company Premises.

How do they enforce this?

[Wodathunkit]

To answer some questions, we work for a 3,300 employee company based in another state. The parking lot that EKO is using is secured, mine is rented and in a "strip center" I'm legal, he isn't. You need to move over to my building or take a taxi

RX8er, our business won't care if you choose not to visit, they know "what's best"

By creating this policy to protect me FROM my right to defend myself, I feel much much safer. Because now that we have a clearly defined policy, no one can hurt me.

[C-dub]

My company has a similar policy that they also think applies to visitors. However, they post no signs and there is no way for a visitor to know the policy. In my newbie days of CHL I asked about this and drew a blank stare. Still, years later, no signs and no change in company policy. We are very good at what we do, but firearms and firearms law isn't even close to what we do.

[RX8er]

To answer some questions, we work for a 3,300 employee company based in another state. The parking lot that EKO is using is secured, mine is rented and in a "strip center" I'm legal, he isn't. You need to move over to my building or take a taxi

RX8er, our business won't care if you choose not to visit, they know "what's best"

By creating this policy to protect me FROM my right to defend myself, I feel much much safer. Because now that we have a clearly defined policy, no one can hurt me.

BTW, I wasn't expecting you to give me the name, it was more the point....

I have actually signed up some clients and as part of our agreement, they have a Contractor Code of Ethics that has to be signed. They cover things like, not using their internet for anything but business, not using their images on websites or marketing, where to park, no guns on their property, no dating their employees, can't hire an employee.....

[JP171]

EK, Whoda, the secured parking thing has no force of law unless your company is one of the listed type of comanies listed in the law and meets the conditions of the law. by this I mean that if you are parking inside a fenced area for wally world, you can park there and leave your weapon there in your car, the wally world office or distobution center does not meet the requirements of the law. I don't know what company you work for but there are very few companies covered under federal law that give them a pass to disallow weapons on the property and not just the premisis as defined in texas law. Also a chemical plant cannot use the FFTZ at the office if its not connected to the manufacturing facility directly and has direct access to the area where chemicals/petrolium derivitives are produced. IE the office area is accross the street from where products are made. I haven't seen any case law that supports or denies the ability to have all the questions and bull that are in the statement posted but my thought is that a form like that won't pass muster but I have heard of alot of companies having the same type of forms.

[Wodathunkit]

EK, Whoda, the secured parking thing has no force of law unless your company is one of the listed type of comanies listed in the law and meets the conditions of the law. by this I mean that if you are parking inside a fenced area for wally world, you can park there and leave your weapon there in your car, the wally world office or distobution center does not meet the requirements of the law. I don't know what company you work for but there are very few companies covered under federal law that give them a pass to disallow weapons on the property and not just the premisis as defined in texas law. Also a chemical plant cannot use the FFTZ at the office if its not connected to the manufacturing facility directly and has direct access to the area where chemicals/petrolium derivitives are produced. IE the office area is accross the street from where products are made. I haven't seen any case law that supports or denies the ability to have all the questions and bull that are in the statement posted but my thought is that a form like that won't pass muster but I have heard of alot of companies having the same type of forms.

I believe your correct, however, the FFTZ claim has been made where EKO parks. he could win that fight, but ultimately loose the war.

My issue with the form and "special parking lot" is that it identifies me as a CHL and puts me on a list. It is completely opposite of what I've been taught. I think it sets a bad precedence.

[x007x]

Texas' right to work status and an employers' right to terminate an employee for no reason is rarely used IMHO. I think that so many companies are afraid of wrongful termination lawsuits that they go through many hoops to justifiably terminate someone in order to minimize those suits. I am unaware of anyone in my own company being terminated without very thorough documentation of the reason they are terminated. They might go to great lengths to find another reason to terminate someone other than the real cause, but I doubt that many are terminated without any reason being given.

Unless its Walmart.. They will fry you.. I worked at the warehouse and broke 2 procedure polices and my reason for fired is. Misconduct by Coaching. To other companies that means I don't get along with authority. I was fired for miss picking freight(As in, I had to pick certain boxes and I sent out the wrong ones.) then I had absences, so they listed the Coaching...Sooo much bull because is lost me many job opportunities and the DC won't hire me again when they say I'm rehireble.

Sorry for the off topic. I'd still carry without a word.
With Walmart; if your car gets broken into they won't allow cops, because of private property, and they won't do a thing for you or let you see the camera footage. They will say "No" even if your are an employee on or off the clock. But I bet if there is a shooting you bet they will look at the cameras.