Fort Worth City Hall - Concealed Approved

[RX8er]

I reached out to the city of Fort Worth regarding concealed carry at City Hall. It was very unclear if they had court offices at City Hall. Here is the response I received from them with my name changed to protect he innocent:

Mr. RX8er,

Individuals with valid concealed handgun permits are allowed to possess an appropriate handgun while visiting City Hall. They are restricted from attending any public meeting that may be occurring during their visit. Proper protocol is to identify themselves to Deputy Marshals at the security check points prior to entering the metal detector. They will then be asked to produce their concealed handgun permit along with another form of government issued photo identification. That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building.

It is the permit holder’s responsibility to comply with all state laws regulating the carry of concealed handguns while in City Hall. Any infraction of those laws could result in arrest.

Thank you for contacting the City of Fort Worth.

Is the entry in to the "log book" standard procedure?

Oh, and I wonder what an "appropriate handgun" is.

[RottenApple]

I reached out to the city of Fort Worth regarding concealed carry at City Hall. It was very unclear if they had court offices at City Hall. Here is the response I received from them with my name changed to protect he innocent:

Mr. RX8er,

Individuals with valid concealed handgun permits are allowed to possess an appropriate handgun while visiting City Hall. They are restricted from attending any public meeting that may be occurring during their visit. Proper protocol is to identify themselves to Deputy Marshals at the security check points prior to entering the metal detector. They will then be asked to produce their concealed handgun permit along with another form of government issued photo identification. That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building.

It is the permit holder’s responsibility to comply with all state laws regulating the carry of concealed handguns while in City Hall. Any infraction of those laws could result in arrest.

Thank you for contacting the City of Fort Worth.

Is the entry in to the "log book" standard procedure?

Oh, and I wonder what an "appropriate handgun" is.

I assume it means appropriate to the license.

[gemini]

...."That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building."

Not good. I would NOT be happy about having any CHL info entered into any "log" book. Totally unnecessary.

[AggieMM]

...... They are restricted from attending any public meeting that may be occurring during their visit. .......

Out of curiosity, why? Is the meeting posted 30.06 (which is invalid on city own property)? What basis are they denying access?

Ryan

[The_Busy_Mom]

...... They are restricted from attending any public meeting that may be occurring during their visit. .......

Out of curiosity, why? Is the meeting posted 30.06 (which is invalid on city own property)? What basis are they denying access?

Ryan

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PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE 
HOLDER. 
........
(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder 
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the 
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless 
of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a g overnmental entity.
........
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor 
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

I assume that to have a public meeting would be to also have a government meeting (ie: City Council Meeting, etc.) So, IMO, it is correct to give notice under 30.06 for the meeting at City Hall.

[RottenApple]

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PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE 
HOLDER. 
........
(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder 
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the 
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless 
of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a g overnmental entity.
........
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor 
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

I assume that to have a public meeting would be to also have a government meeting (ie: City Council Meeting, etc.) So, IMO, it is correct to give notice under 30.06 for the meeting at City Hall.

... if the meeting is posted. Otherwise, they can't legally restrict CC. So they question then becomes: is it 30.06 posted or not?

[RX8er]

Is the meeting posted 30.06 (which is invalid on city own property)? What basis are they denying access?
Ryan

I think they have answered this. It is my understanding that a city can post a 30.06 sign for a meeting, during the meeting times. I do not know if FTW does post for their meetings or not. Just might have to go to the next city council meeting to find out.

[JJVP]

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PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE 
HOLDER. 
........
(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder 
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the 
authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless 
of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a g overnmental entity.
........
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor 
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

I assume that to have a public meeting would be to also have a government meeting (ie: City Council Meeting, etc.) So, IMO, it is correct to give notice under 30.06 for the meeting at City Hall.

... if the meeting is posted. Otherwise, they can't legally restrict CC. So they question then becomes: is it 30.06 posted or not?

It does not have to be posted. You can be given oral notice.

[JJVP]

...."That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building."

Not good. I would NOT be happy about having any CHL info entered into any "log" book. Totally unnecessary.

Don't they scan your CHL when you visit the Capital ? I will assume that it "logs you in".

[RottenApple]

It does not have to be posted. You can be given oral notice.

What is it with you? Do you always have to find where I forget something???

I'm just kidding. You're right, of course. I always forget about oral notice.

[gemini]

...."That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building."

Not good. I would NOT be happy about having any CHL info entered into any "log" book. Totally unnecessary.

Don't they scan your CHL when you visit the Capital ? I will assume that it "logs you in".

Yes. And I wasn't for the DPS or anyone else scanning CHL's at the state capital. All brought on by
a "nut" outside. Then, knee knocking legislators scared out of their minds did a knee jerk reaction
and caused the now famous dual line system for viewing the interior of the Tx capital building.
But that's all topic for another thread.
I believe the DPS scan links to CHL database directly. You're either OK or not, instantly. The way I read your info is
"logged".... I think someone is writing down your personal info into a actual "log" book or paperwork of some sort.
Who has access to the log book? Is it locked up? Is the information collected destroyed at the end
of each day? Who oversees the info's destruction (if it even is destroyed). A simple visual scan by a
commissioned LEO should be sufficient. Nothing needs to be "logged", written down, or anything else.

[MeMelYup]

Sounds like you need to do a FOI.

[FormerTSgt]

...."That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building."

Not good. I would NOT be happy about having any CHL info entered into any "log" book. Totally unnecessary.

Don't they scan your CHL when you visit the Capital ? I will assume that it "logs you in".

Yes. And I wasn't for the DPS or anyone else scanning CHL's at the state capital. All brought on by
a "nut" outside. Then, knee knocking legislators scared out of their minds did a knee jerk reaction
and caused the now famous dual line system for viewing the interior of the Tx capital building.
But that's all topic for another thread.
I believe the DPS scan links to CHL database directly. You're either OK or not, instantly. The way I read your info is
"logged".... I think someone is writing down your personal info into a actual "log" book or paperwork of some sort.
Who has access to the log book? Is it locked up? Is the information collected destroyed at the end
of each day? Who oversees the info's destruction (if it even is destroyed). A simple visual scan by a
commissioned LEO should be sufficient. Nothing needs to be "logged", written down, or anything else.

But if Texas honors other state permits (for example, my Georgia Weapons License) how could they scan it? It is a different type of form of ID entirely.

[gemini]

...."That information will be recorded in a log book and the individual will then be granted access to the building."

Not good. I would NOT be happy about having any CHL info entered into any "log" book. Totally unnecessary.

Don't they scan your CHL when you visit the Capital ? I will assume that it "logs you in".

Yes. And I wasn't for the DPS or anyone else scanning CHL's at the state capital. All brought on by
a "nut" outside. Then, knee knocking legislators scared out of their minds did a knee jerk reaction
and caused the now famous dual line system for viewing the interior of the Tx capital building.
But that's all topic for another thread.
I believe the DPS scan links to CHL database directly. You're either OK or not, instantly. The way I read your info is
"logged".... I think someone is writing down your personal info into a actual "log" book or paperwork of some sort.
Who has access to the log book? Is it locked up? Is the information collected destroyed at the end
of each day? Who oversees the info's destruction (if it even is destroyed). A simple visual scan by a
commissioned LEO should be sufficient. Nothing needs to be "logged", written down, or anything else.

But if Texas honors other state permits (for example, my Georgia Weapons License) how could they scan it? It is a different type of form of ID entirely.

Sorry for the delayed response. I have no idea how DPS handles out of state permits when those holders
visit our state capital. I don't visit the capital anymore on trips to Austin. Maybe someone else here can answer your question.

[JKTex]

I reached out to the city of Fort Worth regarding concealed carry at City Hall.

Fort Worth didn't approve anything. They're just citing what's in accordance with State law.

BTW, the capitol was never prohibited either, I call the 2nd line the express lane. It's been said that folks that are in and out of the capitol a lot got CHL's so they would get in and out faster using the express lane.