Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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TDchl
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Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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All,
I am waiting at the door of the Waiting Room. My plastic will be here any day now. I recently got a new job. This company does IT services. They provide these services for Public and Private sector, as well as secured Government contracts. I am going back and forth on my ability to carry here. Here is the wording of the Code of Conduct:

"Unless authorized by law or XXXXXXX policy, you may not possess,
conceal or use weapons, including firearms, knives, clubs,
ammunition, explosives or other devices that are primarily used to
inflict injury (including recreational weapons such as hunting rifles
or crossbows) while on XXXXXXXX property or when conducting XXXXXXX
business."

From what I read in this between Property and Premesis, I can't even keep my firearm in my car. My question here, is my CHL considered "Authorized by law?" I have the ability to submit an anonymous inquiry to HR to get the question answered if need be, but I'm looking to see what you folks think. The HR inquiry can take several business weeks to receive a response.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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do not ask HR, it will open a can of worms; the policy is clear
Unless authorized by law
1) Gov't code, chapter 411 (CHL licensing) authorizes you to carry ...
devices that are primarily used to inflict injury
2) My gun isn't for the primary purpose of inflicting injury, I carry it for the primary purpose of protecting from injury
I can't even keep my firearm in my car.
???? Employer Parking lot bill may apply, I don't know your parking situation.
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Re: Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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Don't know if this actually qualifies as written notice, because it says "either or" not "both" being necessary to permitted work carry. As far as the parking lot goes, you can secure your gun in your car if you want to. The law protects that right for you.
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Re: Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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It is not 30.06 language .... It's the force of a code of conduct, not the force of law

Penalty of violating a code of conduct might get one fired, not arrested

still, a license authorizes by law, which appears to be allowed by the policy/code of conduct anyway.... an unlicensed person might perhaps carry by policy (if exists, policies of armed security/family of owner, etc)

If no 30.06 language and not otherwise prohibited by law (over 51% location, Court, or other prohibited by law place), concealed is concealed (and Silence is Golden) if you are licensed.
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Re: Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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I think your problem will be in the different work environments. Don't try to drive on a military base stating your company's policy allows you to carry...
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blackgold wrote:I think your problem will be in the different work environments. Don't try to drive on a military base stating your company's policy allows you to carry...
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Re: Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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RPB wrote:do not ask HR, it will open a can of worms; the policy is clear
Unless authorized by law
1) Gov't code, chapter 411 (CHL licensing) authorizes you to carry ...
Thank you for this clarification. I was merely confused because of the fact that we do support government contracts, in which we have Federal Agents, Military members, etc. on site from time to time.

As per asking HR, I would never ask face to face, or in a way that would indicate that it's ME that is asking. We have an anonymous HR issue / question submission website that I could have used to get an answer without letting them know whom was inquiring.
blackgold wrote:I think your problem will be in the different work environments. Don't try to drive on a military base stating your company's policy allows you to carry...
Brian
I, personally, do not possess clearance. Nor will I be going on to, or working in, secure parts of this facility. As stated above, I was just confused as to authorization, because of the mixed environment.
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My initial thought was that I was indeed authorized by law, beacuse the CHL licensing program is written in law.
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Re: Phrasing of Code of Conduct

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Nix the anonymous request to HR. It could draw unwanted attention to the vague provision that may currently allow you to carry at work. And that could lead to a definitive no weapons policy. As far as the parking lot goes, shhhhhh. The parking lot law will keep the company from being able to fire you for having a weapon in your car, but they could find another reason for termination if they found out.
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