fingerprinting vent...

[MamaK]

A Passport isn't a "federal" ID it is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity, get your facts straight there is NO federal ID. there is no parallel between what I said(typed) and the drivel your tryin to spout thnx

Time out
I really appreciate the advice you all are giving and information. I'm trying to bring our office up to speed because well, prior printers who are no longer there..were naughty. (they could print in 3 minutes but they didnt check identification. ) I've been pretty lucky that DPS, the local AFIS tech and even the FBI have been nice enough to answer my questions (and also you folks).So now I know to make sure that I can see the delta(s) and core, count the lines and know that I made a good print. I've also made sure to write my requests to my boss and the company.(Just like instructors, I want to copy the ID so we have proof...)

I'm also enrolled to begin AFIS training this summer.

I think I'm doing about as much as I can. I don't know if there is anything else I can do.

[bizarrenormality]

A Passport isn't a "federal" ID it is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity,

For an I-9, a driver's license by itself is not enough, but a US passport or passport card is.

[JP171]

A Passport isn't a "federal" ID it is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity,

For an I-9, a driver's license by itself is not enough, but a US passport or passport card is.

you are correct, because the passport establishes Identity and citizenship but its a state department document.

[JP171]

there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

yep federal agencies do in fact issue ID's lemme see TWIC is issued, hold on let me check my card OH YEA the airplane gestapo, it says no where federal government ID it does say this card is the property of the US government. all federal agency ID's require corroboration of a state issued ID I don't even think that DC issues a drivers license. there is NO SUCH thing as a federal ID all government ID's are issued by an agency even CAC Cards( twic card is one), the branch is the issuing authority of in the case of DOD civilian employees it is issued by the DOD so again NO FEDERAL ID

That is a bit like saying there is no Texas ID card just TDPS cards. True there is no single universally recognized Federal ID that everyone in the US can get and is issued for regular use, except for a passport, but there are many federal ID's that are recognized and used as ID's even outside their agency of origin. Like DOD ID card, green card, passport card, Merchant Mariner's card, and others. The key to it's use as an ID isn't who issues it, since any govt agency can issue "vallad and accepted id's", but rather if it meets the criteria for acceptable ID in terms of having the persons name, birthdate, height, weight, gender, etc.

A Passport isn't a "federal" ID it is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity, get your facts straight there is NO federal ID. there is no parallel between what I said(typed) and the drivel your tryin to spout thnx

A passport "is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity". What the heck is your definition of an ID? It is universally recognized in the US as such by everyone but you it seems, and suffices as an ID for any purpose in which the Feds require an ID. Sure it doesn't establish residency but it does do so for Identity. You are just wrong, there are many "Federal ID's", there is just not one all encompassing ID.

yea I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. again I will tell your obtuse self THERE IS NO FEDERAL ID, there are many ID cards and documents that are issued by US Government Agencies yep there are but as you said yourself there are many types of ID but no federal ID. Many things are accepted as proof of identification state issued Identification is issued by the state of texas and even says so, there is NO ID issued by the US Government that says federal on it anywhere, any ID issued by the US Govt will say what agency issues is, call it tomato/tomato or just that some people refuse to accept fact, like liberals how about you?


and that's the last I am going to say on this subject

[EEllis]

yea I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. again I will tell your obtuse self THERE IS NO FEDERAL ID, there are many ID cards and documents that are issued by US Government Agencies yep there are but as you said yourself there are many types of ID but no federal ID. Many things are accepted as proof of identification state issued Identification is issued by the state of texas and even says so, there is NO ID issued by the US Government that says federal on it anywhere, any ID issued by the US Govt will say what agency issues is, call it tomato/tomato or just that some people refuse to accept fact, like liberals how about you?


and that's the last I am going to say on this subject

I'm not going to beat this to death but I think that's some bizarre logic. If any agency or political subdivision of the federal govt issues an ID then it is a Federal ID. I haven't checked every federal ID so I have no idea if they say Federal on them or not, but many do say United States Government. So if your argument is because it doesn't say federal it isn't a "federal iD, well I think you really are missing the point. By the way my DL doesn't say issued by the state of Texas on it and it's still a Texas ID. TWIC cards say they are Identity credentials "issued under the authority of the United States Government" and they are not Federal ID's according to you.







Too much time spent on a small aside but obviously there are Federally issued ID's. To get back on point "Geneva Conventions" ID' were mentioned and while I'm sure his was faked military ID's serve, and are marked as, Geneva Convention ID's.

[Jumping Frog]

.... get your facts straight there is NO federal ID. there is no parallel between what I said(typed) and the drivel your tryin to spout thnx

yea I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. again I will tell your obtuse self THERE IS NO FEDERAL ID, . . . just that some people refuse to accept fact, like liberals how about you?

I don't appreciate the name calling and there is certainly no need for it to make whatever point you are trying to make.

[longtooth]

Gentlemen,
Get this back on topic please. Fingerprints. Post as statesmen where you disagree not flaming arguments.

Thank you.
LT

[MamaK]

Yeah, I'm mad. We had a young man come in with two fake I.D.s . One had a skewed picture of the boy in front of a bookcase and said "Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation" underneath it said "Federal ID" . I ran his licensing number through the TXDLR's website and it was a no go. (I figured) I even called them up, they ran his info, even ran his soc - no go. During this time he was ticked that I would dare verify his ID ( I can be charged for printing people without a valid ID) - while I was holding for a TXDLR rep, he called up Morphotrust and told them he had a Federal ID - so in my other ear I have a Morphotrust rep telling me I should accept the ID. <snip>

MamaK,

several years ago, there was an ID shop set up in Austin, at the 290 Flea market. The guy was creating ID cards from a stand that was set up. For like 20.00, he would take your picture, and then put "your' information on the card. I watched several kids that I would swear were under 21 getting ID's made that said they were a couple of months over the 21 year old age. I did see one of the cards that looked like a Texas ID card, (before the hologram coating) that had "Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation" stamped on the top of it..

I'm still waiting for my DPS overlords to come. (save me DPS, save me!) I'm doing a lot of reprints right now because of the mistakes of former printers. I'm also in another unique ID mess - a nonenglish speaking client brought in a valid Texas state identification card. I printed her, made sure I got all the markers, the quality was awesome, I verified her information with my terribad Spanish (numbers, name, all matched up) - she came back and left her rejection letter on my desk - because it is in English, she can't read it (she thought I could go in and fix her prints...) . Whoever helped her book that first appointment isn't helping her now,and so she shows up daily wanting to be printed. I can't print anyone unless they make an appointment with "the company", reprints have to call "the company" to book. I called the school that sent her over and no response, I called TEA to ask them to get a translator to explain to this client that she must book her own appointment and their response was "What do you mean that she doesn't speak English?"...

So, now I'm waiting to hear back from the FBI - because I have no possible way of verifying if someones social # is valid and the third party fingerprint software requires a social in three different spots in the digital form. Frankly, if her social isn't valid, her prints will continue to be rejected. It irks me that the one thing that I can't verify, is required in the software to proceed with printing.