A tale of two cameras

[texanjoker]

The first video was floating the net this past week about a use of force in Mesa Arizona. The crowd is not supportive and even tells the old security guard to get out of it. I love the lady saying call 911. No kidding the officer needs back up call and request it. The suspect is not compliant. If you really watch it, he is resisting all the way until they get him into handcuffs. They are then upset because the off duty officer ran a stop sign to back up the officer. Maybe they should have helped vs standing their acting the fool running their mouth, but that is pretty much the norm now days.

Mesa PD released body camera video showing a different perspective. Funny the portions of the 1st video don't show the crowds actions. Good story about a different perspective and how video can show one angle but there is always another. Key points brought up are a gun loose on the ground and a taser loose on the ground as well. Good job to the officers .

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[TREKFAN]

But did the LEO just go up to him and say "sit down"? If a police officer came up to me and yelled it at me, I would try to establish dialog with him. By telling me to sit down is in my mind a detainment. I would have politely asked for him to not curse, and before I sit down, why am I being detained. I wouldn't trust a LEO acting in such a manner. I don't know the background story well though. From my understanding, the other guy was trespassing, but I heard it was at a pharmacy down the road. Can any of our LEO freinds advise me on how this should have gone down. I will comply with a LEO, however, their needs to be an explanation before I surrender my freedom to you by the act of detainment. Also, the LEO's language that was used, what are yalls thoughts? Please LEOS here, help educate me.

[SQLGeek]

To be perfectly honest, from the time the officer goes hands on I see nothing wrong in the first video other than there are a lot of ignorant people out there based upon their comments. Clearly the TASER had no effect on the suspect while he was standing.

Everyone has an opinion about how an officer should do his job but very few have any actual understanding as to how or why they do the things they do. Especially when it comes to use of force and making an arrest. I have no practical first hand experience in arresting people but I wrestled in school and I know how difficult it can be to subdue somebody (and that's not somebody that outweighs me by a good 20-30 pounds). It is incredibly difficult and exhausting to be on the ground fighting with somebody and to make them do what you want them to.

[TREKFAN]

To be perfectly honest, from the time the officer goes hands on I see nothing wrong in the first video other than there are a lot of ignorant people out there based upon their comments. Clearly the TASER had no effect on the suspect while he was standing.

Everyone has an opinion about how an officer should do his job but very few have any actual understanding as to how or why they do the things they do. Especially when it comes to use of force and making an arrest. I have no practical first hand experience in arresting people but I wrestled in school and I know how difficult it can be to subdue somebody (and that's not somebody that outweighs me by a good 20-30 pounds). It is incredibly difficult and exhausting to be on the ground fighting with somebody and to make them do what you want them to.

but why was the officer wanting to detain him? By the way, in case anyone thinks it, I'm not bashing LEO or anything, just would like to educate myself if a random LEO started giving me orders the way this officer did. I appreciate the work yall do.

[Keith B]

To be perfectly honest, from the time the officer goes hands on I see nothing wrong in the first video other than there are a lot of ignorant people out there based upon their comments. Clearly the TASER had no effect on the suspect while he was standing.

Everyone has an opinion about how an officer should do his job but very few have any actual understanding as to how or why they do the things they do. Especially when it comes to use of force and making an arrest. I have no practical first hand experience in arresting people but I wrestled in school and I know how difficult it can be to subdue somebody (and that's not somebody that outweighs me by a good 20-30 pounds). It is incredibly difficult and exhausting to be on the ground fighting with somebody and to make them do what you want them to.

but why was the officer wanting to detain him? By the way, in case anyone thinks it, I'm not bashing LEO or anything, just would like to educate myself if a random LEO started giving me orders the way this officer did. I appreciate the work yall do.

What you are not seeing is any previous interaction the officer had with the subject in the store or on the sidewalk. All the news clip shows is from the time the altercation went to hands on. The subject could have been resisting way before the video clip started.

[The Count]

Bystanders like that irritate me. They remind me of kids helping provoke a fight between other kids, in a situation that they have nothing to do with. "The concrete is hot" one says. So what.... should they just let him up and start the struggle over again?

[knotquiteawake]

Bystanders like that irritate me. They remind me of kids helping provoke a fight between other kids, in a situation that they have nothing to do with. "The concrete is hot" one says. So what.... should they just let him up and start the struggle over again?

Seriously, those guys talking crap in the background have no clue. The suspect was on the ground but still not under control so they had to deliver physical blows and the taser to gain compliance.

Some Cops might not like those body cameras (mostly the ones who can't watch their mouth I think) but for most I think its going to be an invaluable asset in these types of cases.

Also, what do you guys think about the taser hit? It looks like the suspects baggy clothing prevented one or both of the barbs from sticking onto the suspect's skin.

[baldeagle]

To the untrained eye, I don't see any difference between those two videos, except that the "cop cam" was a very close-in shot. Maybe if we could see the whole thing....or do they only turn them on when the going gets rocky?

[texanjoker]

To the untrained eye, I don't see any difference between those two videos, except that the "cop cam" was a very close-in shot. Maybe if we could see the whole thing....or do they only turn them on when the going gets rocky?

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This is the media.showimg what they want. That is why i posted the you tube i wear one and try to turn it on for all contacts. Took some getting used to and sometimes stuff happens to fast. I like apd's new ones that are automatic.

[Jaguar]

To be perfectly honest, from the time the officer goes hands on I see nothing wrong in the first video other than there are a lot of ignorant people out there based upon their comments. Clearly the TASER had no effect on the suspect while he was standing.

Everyone has an opinion about how an officer should do his job but very few have any actual understanding as to how or why they do the things they do. Especially when it comes to use of force and making an arrest. I have no practical first hand experience in arresting people but I wrestled in school and I know how difficult it can be to subdue somebody (and that's not somebody that outweighs me by a good 20-30 pounds). It is incredibly difficult and exhausting to be on the ground fighting with somebody and to make them do what you want them to.

but why was the officer wanting to detain him? By the way, in case anyone thinks it, I'm not bashing LEO or anything, just would like to educate myself if a random LEO started giving me orders the way this officer did. I appreciate the work yall do.

According to the news video link, "Circle K reported the suspect you see in the video because he was milling around the store, apparently trying to pick up his prescriptions. Police say he refused to comply with the officer or answer questions, and that's when things got ugly."

Okay - since when is Circle K a pharmacy?

[EEllis]

but why was the officer wanting to detain him? By the way, in case anyone thinks it, I'm not bashing LEO or anything, just would like to educate myself if a random LEO started giving me orders the way this officer did. I appreciate the work yall do.

According to the new the officer was going to cite the man but he refused to comply or answer questions. And if an officer starts yelling "down on the ground or I'm going to tase you!" then I would get on the ground. A judge is the one who decides if the officer had PC not you.

[Pacifist]

There's quite clearly not nearly enough information provided by either video to make any definitive judgment concerning the facts of the overall incident, well, other than the fact that Anita Roman is a very attractive woman.