another OIS in Austin

[texanjoker]

APD sure has their share, but can you blame this officer? The chief also had some good comments below. I am glad he wasn't injured more then he was. The video should be interesting when they release it. Long story short sounds like 2 commercial burglary suspects. Driver then rams APD car. Continues to ram car while officer orders him to stop, officer shoots driver. The photographs show the APD car all the way back into a tree.


"Everybody always wants to play a numbers game in our city whether we've had too many shootings, not enough shootings. That's not the issue. The issue is for me and I think for...I don't want to speak for the [police] monitor or for our community is...we don't need to look at the number of shootings, we need to look at the officers. Every single incident is taken as a stand alone incident and is judged by the totality of the facts, the circumstances and the evidence. And it's not a matter of whether it's too many or too little, it's a matter of whether the use of force was lawful," Acevedo said.

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[Jumping Frog]

This week's newsletter for the Force Science Institute is a fascinating discussion of OIS, Sec 1983 lawsuits, and the implications for police policy.

This is a paragraph discussing just these kinds of cases:

VEHICULAR ATTACKS. "An emerging trend associated with a number of shootings is the suspect using a vehicle as a deadly force instrument against the officer," Ross writes. In this circumstance, "an officer is extremely vulnerable, and the ability to cognitively process a decision to react and to protect his own or another's safety can be severely compromised."

Again, Ross finds, courts have been empathetic with a targeted officer's desperate need to instantly form a perception of threat and to react accordingly, even though the suspect's vehicle may ultimately turn or back up as well as continue directly at the officer.

Ross cites nearly two dozen cases in which courts have granted qualified immunity to officers who shot suspects who "used or threatened to use [a vehicle] as a weapon."

[K.Mooneyham]

If someone is burglarizing a place, and LEOs respond to a call about it, and then said burglars try to run over the LEOs, well if the burglars get shot its their own fault. In those circumstances, I have no complaints about the LEOs using deadly force to defend themselves.

[tomtexan]

"Everybody always wants to play a numbers game in our city whether we've had too many shootings, not enough shootings.

I didn't know departments were criticized for not having enough shootings. :
Is it a quota thing like traffic tickets?

[rbwhatever1]

Good for the violent burglar. Too bad we need to waste resources on his trial.

Way to go APD!

[MotherBear]

"Everybody always wants to play a numbers game in our city whether we've had too many shootings, not enough shootings.

I didn't know departments were criticized for not having enough shootings. :

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