How THOROUGHLY does one have to seek out 30.06 at entrances?

[Keith B]

That's a reasonable way of doing things. However, I have been to the hospital with my wife at least two dozen times, and I can't figure out, where their main entrance is for sure. There are places that look like they might be main entrances, but I can't be sure... None of them had the sign so far...

Go through any entrance necessary. Until you know the hospital, business, location is posted, then you have not received effective notice via a 30.06 sign. If you conceal properly, the chances of being discovered are slim to none and Slim left town.

[ATDM]

That's a reasonable way of doing things. However, I have been to the hospital with my wife at least two dozen times, and I can't figure out, where their main entrance is for sure. There are places that look like they might be main entrances, but I can't be sure... None of them had the sign so far...

Go through any entrance necessary. Until you know the hospital, business, location is posted, then you have not received effective notice via a 30.06 sign. If you conceal properly, the chances of being discovered are slim to none and Slim left town.

Thanks, Keith. This a confirmation that my understanding was logical and apparently correct.

[SewTexas]

I have had my CHL since 1997 and lived in the same house for the past 34 years. I know ALL the places in my area that are posted 30.06 and I just don't go there. We are lucky in Texas that very few places choose to post that stupid sign. They are smart enough to know that the sign only applies to law abiding people and not to criminals. There are exceptions, but most places that post have very visable signs. I find the 51% sign more problematic. My wife loves to go out to eat and we try all different types of restaurants all over Houston. I usually find the 51% sign up behind the bar in the restaurant AFTER we have been seated and ordered.

Restaurants don't qualify as 51% establishments. The food sales typically account for about 2/3 of a restaurant's total sales (on average). If you do see a 51% sign in a restaurant, it's likely an improper posting since TABC often sends both signs to a business with instructions on which one to post. The most reliable determination of a 51% location that I've found is to go directly to the TABC website.

the 51% sign should be in the "bar" area and would only apply to the bar area, not the restaurant area.

[ATDM]

the 51% sign should be in the "bar" area and would only apply to the bar area, not the restaurant area.

Do you know this for a fact? Or, is it a supposition?

Thanks

[SewTexas]

a 51% sign means that an establishment makes the majority of their money from alcohol sales. that's one of the reasons why restaurants separate the bar area, they file is as a different biz. the taxes and licenses are different. just don't get seated in that area....if they ask if you would like to be seated there, sometimes it's quicker, tell them you would prefer not to, it's too noisy, in some towns they still allow smoking. someone can clarify, I think it's the whole bar room, it may just be the physical bar? it may depend on the restaurant so stay safe on that.

[Keith B]

a 51% sign means that an establishment makes the majority of their money from alcohol sales. that's one of the reasons why restaurants separate the bar area, they file is as a different biz. the taxes and licenses are different. just don't get seated in that area....if they ask if you would like to be seated there, sometimes it's quicker, tell them you would prefer not to, it's too noisy, in some towns they still allow smoking. someone can clarify, I think it's the whole bar room, it may just be the physical bar? it may depend on the restaurant so stay safe on that.

Maybe not. It all depends on the way the TABC has defined the area that is 51%. If the bar is a separate entity and the area for serving alcohol is only the bar and you can't remove the drinks from that area, then yes it should be placed in the bar. If the bar is owned entirely by another company, and they allow drinks in the whole facility, then the full location is off limits and the 51% sign should be at the door. Most restaurants own their own bar and will NOT be a 51% location as they make more money from food sales that they do from the sale of alcohol. The exceptions I am aware of is Fox and Hound Pub's and various sports bars which are 51%. They serve food, but do a much larger business in alcohol sales and are really bars, not restaurants.

[TexasCajun]

a 51% sign means that an establishment makes the majority of their money from alcohol sales. that's one of the reasons why restaurants separate the bar area, they file is as a different biz. the taxes and licenses are different. just don't get seated in that area....if they ask if you would like to be seated there, sometimes it's quicker, tell them you would prefer not to, it's too noisy, in some towns they still allow smoking. someone can clarify, I think it's the whole bar room, it may just be the physical bar? it may depend on the restaurant so stay safe on that.

The vast majority of restaurants in Texas do not isolate their bar business. Take a quick spin through the TABC website & you'll see what I mean.

Even if you see a 51% sign in a restaurant, it's most likely an improper posting.

[android]

Just curious, why do you think anyone would "recognize" that you are carrying?

Obviously, it is extremely unlikely that you'd get spotted, but flukes do happen, not to mention that I wouldn't want to break the law by carrying in places, where it's prohibited.

I disagree with the sentiment that I need to be mindful of people's feelings and opinions about CHL, when I carry. I am exercising my right, and I am prepared to defend my family and myself (in certain circumstances — others). They won't know that I am carrying. If they do, then I am not concealing it. And if they don't know it, it won't bother them. I am not going to be rubbing the nose of my anti-gun friends in the fact that I carry, but I AM going to carry it AT ALL TIMES AND IN ALL PLACES, whenever and wherever it's legal. I am not going to create "carry" days and "no carry" days on my calendar.

I disagree with the notion that I need to carry only when I expect something to happen. I am not going to ponder and consider others' opinion about CHL before walking out of my house with the gun. This is not what it's all about. I don't stop believing in my God, if someone is against my beliefs. I don't force them on anyone, but I continue to believe. I will not force my opinions about the 2nd Amendment on anyone, but I will continue to carry... ALWAYS. People's level of tolerance toward guns is not going to factor into my decision to carry or not to carry at all. Just like people tolerance toward my faith is not going to affect my faith.

I don't even fully understand, how my concealed carry would affect people with anti-gun sentiments, and why I need to worry about that at all.

That's just my $0.02...

I agree with your outlook.

I see it as wearing purple lacy underwear. Nobody should ever know but me and my wife!
In theory, nobody should care if I come into their hospital, store or whatever wearing purple lacy underwear if I keep my shirt pulled down and don't show them off.

It's always better to have purple lacy underwear and not need them than to need them and not have them!

[android]

a 51% sign means that an establishment makes the majority of their money from alcohol sales. that's one of the reasons why restaurants separate the bar area, they file is as a different biz. the taxes and licenses are different. just don't get seated in that area....if they ask if you would like to be seated there, sometimes it's quicker, tell them you would prefer not to, it's too noisy, in some towns they still allow smoking. someone can clarify, I think it's the whole bar room, it may just be the physical bar? it may depend on the restaurant so stay safe on that.

The vast majority of restaurants in Texas do not isolate their bar business. Take a quick spin through the TABC website & you'll see what I mean.

Even if you see a 51% sign in a restaurant, it's most likely an improper posting.

If it's a restaurant with a bar and they are putting up the red sign, it is most likely a mistake. You can check the TABC site or just look at the license which is often in sight. It clearly says SIGN = <RED> or <BLUE> on it.

They are REQUIRED by TABC rules to post the correct sign. They cannot post RED for BLUE. Just put in a complaint form to TABC and they will get it fixed.

[brhalltx]

I see it as wearing purple lacy underwear. Nobody should ever know but me and my wife!

Now everybody knows.

[jmain]

Just curious, why do you think anyone would "recognize" that you are carrying?

Obviously, it is extremely unlikely that you'd get spotted, but flukes do happen, not to mention that I wouldn't want to break the law by carrying in places, where it's prohibited.

I disagree with the sentiment that I need to be mindful of people's feelings and opinions about CHL, when I carry. I am exercising my right, and I am prepared to defend my family and myself (in certain circumstances — others). They won't know that I am carrying. If they do, then I am not concealing it. And if they don't know it, it won't bother them. I am not going to be rubbing the nose of my anti-gun friends in the fact that I carry, but I AM going to carry it AT ALL TIMES AND IN ALL PLACES, whenever and wherever it's legal. I am not going to create "carry" days and "no carry" days on my calendar.

I disagree with the notion that I need to carry only when I expect something to happen. I am not going to ponder and consider others' opinion about CHL before walking out of my house with the gun. This is not what it's all about. I don't stop believing in my God, if someone is against my beliefs. I don't force them on anyone, but I continue to believe. I will not force my opinions about the 2nd Amendment on anyone, but I will continue to carry... ALWAYS. People's level of tolerance toward guns is not going to factor into my decision to carry or not to carry at all. Just like people tolerance toward my faith is not going to affect my faith.

I don't even fully understand, how my concealed carry would affect people with anti-gun sentiments, and why I need to worry about that at all.

That's just my $0.02...

I completely agree with and respect everything you stated.

I guess my post was a bit off topic after I re-read the entire thread.
I didn't mean to imply that I pick and choose when/where I carry as I carry daily. I just meant that there are and can be exceptions, for me at least. That was just something that I went through and how I processed the decision, that's all.

[bizarrenormality]

If it goes to trial, a jury gets to decide if the sign "is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public" and meets the other requirements to be notice. However, if nobody realizes you're armed, and you don't get arrested, there's no trial jury to worry about.

[SewTexas]

Just curious, why do you think anyone would "recognize" that you are carrying?

Obviously, it is extremely unlikely that you'd get spotted, but flukes do happen, not to mention that I wouldn't want to break the law by carrying in places, where it's prohibited.

I disagree with the sentiment that I need to be mindful of people's feelings and opinions about CHL, when I carry. I am exercising my right, and I am prepared to defend my family and myself (in certain circumstances — others). They won't know that I am carrying. If they do, then I am not concealing it. And if they don't know it, it won't bother them. I am not going to be rubbing the nose of my anti-gun friends in the fact that I carry, but I AM going to carry it AT ALL TIMES AND IN ALL PLACES, whenever and wherever it's legal. I am not going to create "carry" days and "no carry" days on my calendar.

I disagree with the notion that I need to carry only when I expect something to happen. I am not going to ponder and consider others' opinion about CHL before walking out of my house with the gun. This is not what it's all about. I don't stop believing in my God, if someone is against my beliefs. I don't force them on anyone, but I continue to believe. I will not force my opinions about the 2nd Amendment on anyone, but I will continue to carry... ALWAYS. People's level of tolerance toward guns is not going to factor into my decision to carry or not to carry at all. Just like people tolerance toward my faith is not going to affect my faith.

I don't even fully understand, how my concealed carry would affect people with anti-gun sentiments, and why I need to worry about that at all.

That's just my $0.02...

I agree with your outlook.

I see it as wearing purple lacy underwear. Nobody should ever know but me and my wife!
In theory, nobody should care if I come into their hospital, store or whatever wearing purple lacy underwear if I keep my shirt pulled down and don't show them off.

It's always better to have purple lacy underwear and not need them than to need them and not have them!

oh Android....

TMI, dude....please, keep your shirt down!!

[RogueUSMC]

I see it as wearing purple lacy underwear. Nobody should ever know but me and my wife!

Now everybody knows.

Pictures or it didn't happen...wait...no...belay my last over...

[gigag04]

One must be reasonably thorough