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Pot legalization and unintended consequences: Pet Poisonings

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http://www.sfgate.com/pets/article/Dogs ... 102991.php
Dogs' pot poisoning soars as pets dig through trash, stash
Katherine Seligman
Updated 8:10 am, Tuesday, December 31, 2013
The Pet Poison Hotline, which takes calls from around the country and Canada, noted a 200 percent increase in reported incidents of poisoning in the past five years. Dr. Lori Green, a critical care veterinarian at the San Francisco SPCA Veterinary Hospital, says the clinic treats as many as three dogs a week for symptoms of marijuana toxicity: trembling, vomiting and walking troubles.

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Pot affects dogs differently than it does humans, veterinarians say, because dogs don't have liver enzymes to metabolize tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. At higher doses, marijuana can cause dogs to vomit, lose coordination and bladder control, have tremors, and be nervous and over-reactive. Their body temperature and heart rate may drop.

In extreme cases dogs may suffer seizures or seem unresponsive, but THC poisoning is rarely fatal. Dogs usually recover in 12 to 24 hours, though signs can last up to 72 hours.
Animal abuse is generally illegal. If you accidentally poison your children because you left drugs or poisons laying around where you kids can get them, CPS can remove your children from the home. Can, or should, animal control authorities have the power to remove a pet from the home when a careless pet owner poisons it because he is too stupefied on his precious weed to know or care if he is endangering it?

As the above article points out, dog livers lack the capacity to metabolize THC, thus, THC is poisonous to dogs, and in a small number of cases, fatal. Legal or illegal, there is little credible evidence that says that cannabis does NOT affect your judgement and reaction times, and therefore the people using the drug are not able to make good judgements about protecting pets while they (the owners) are high. The law generally says that dogs are chattel, which means that absent willful or negligent abuse, you can generally do whatever you want with them. On the other hand, most dog owners (at least here in the U.S.) would agree that their dog is not just property, but also part of their family. For that reason as much as any other, dogs deserve some kind of protection under the law. All laws, or abolishment of laws, have unintended consequences. It would appear that this is one of the unintended consequences of pulling back from drug control, specifically with regard to marijuana laws.

I'm not so much asking for opinions about the legalization of marijuana. I generally concede that the War on Drugs is a bust (pun intended), and getting the state uninvolved in it can't be any worse than the results we've already had. If you get rid of marijuana control, you get rid of a certain amount of bureaucracy. Others are certainly free to disagree with that. MY interest in this story is whether or not we, both as a people and as a government, have a responsibility to act to protect pets from the consequences of their owners' folly when it comes to marijuana poisonings. OR, conversely, should we just leave things alone and absorb the fact that as more and more people use the drug, there will be more and more dog poisonings. . . . .as has already been recorded as fact?

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Animal abuse in Texas is rarely prosecuted. Animals are property and you can largely do what you want with your own property.
Even in cases where the owner is directly violating a municipal statue, convincing a DA to take up the issue is like pushing a boulder up a mountain.

I've worked with canine rescue (German Shepherds) for going on 11 years now. The things that people are capable of doing to animals would shock you.
The choices that are made as a result of irresponsible, cruel, and just plain negligent people are really hard.
I understand the concern about THC toxicity and dogs, but we really need to solve much larger, much more impactful, and much more widespread problems first. I just can't see it being a factor.

Here's our latest rescue. He was a street dog, he's probably about 10 months old. Keeping him out of our trash, which lacks THC is our responsibility. Keeping him out of the neighbors trash, which might contain THC is our responsibility.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:Discuss.....
While I hate to see any animal poisoned, I don't think that pet poisonings from THC are ever going to become a big issue.

I was wondering what would cause an animal to eat marijuana in the first place.

The pet ingested cannabis-infused butter. It sounds like someone was going to bake some Alice B Toklas brownies.

I can see a dog or cat scarfing up some butter, if left unattended.

Don't forget that chocolate is also very toxic to dogs and cats, but I haven't heard of an epidemic of poisonings.

There is certainly much more chocolate than marijuana laying around most households.

At $225 per ounce, I don't think most people could afford to leave it around for dog food.

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I just reread the article and the poisoning of the dog from the THC-butter happened 10 years ago.
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There are many plants in people's homes that are poisonous to pets. This time of year namely poinsettias and chocolate.

People will learn and it will be a very minor issue.
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healthinsp wrote:There are many plants in people's homes that are poisonous to pets. This time of year namely poinsettias and chocolate.

People will learn and it will be a very minor issue.
Yep...my daughters dog ate a huge bag of M&M's. He got sick but that was about it. I am not sure how much they have to eat for a fatal reaction. The poinsettias, according to my daughters vet, are pretty darned dangerous for cats and dogs.

I'm with Wildbill. I don't really think dog poisoning from marijuana will ever being more than an anomaly.
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03Lightningrocks wrote: I'm with Wildbill. I don't really think dog poisoning from marijuana will ever being more than an anomaly.
:iagree:

For all you dog lovers on the board, make sure to keep Hydrogen Peroxide handy. If you see your dog ingest something that you know will harm them, you can give them some to induce vomiting. We keep it a bottle at home, in the RV, and in our dogs "to go" bag.
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03LightingRocks, I THINK the issue with chocolate and dogs is the caffeine content, which affects their heart rate more strongly than it does a human heart.

CB, I agree that it is my responsibility to keep my dog out of the neighbor's trash. Believe me, by the way, I've seen the worst that humans can do to a dog, unless you can think of something more barbaric than hanging one from a tree-branch....over a fire....high enough to torture but not for the purpose of cooking. I know it would be murder, but I could kill such a man without a second thought if I caught him in the act. I've only seen the results.

WildBill, I realize that the vet's anecdotal story is 10 years old, but the article also cites a 2012 study, saying:
A study published in the Journal of Veterinary Emergency and Critical Care in 2012 reported a correlation between the increase in the number of medical marijuana cardholders and the number of dogs getting poisoned.
I'll grant that pet poisonings by ibuprofen, tylenol, mucinex, and other drugs probably increased dramatically when they were released for over-the-counter sale, but at least those drugs do not impede judgement. But marijuana demonstrably does do that (believe me.....I know from experience), and I submit that someone who leaves a baggie of weed on the coffee table because he is judgement impaired is a lot more likely to poison his dog than is someone whose judgement is not impaired by an over-the-counter analgesic or expectorant, and who therefore handles it more responsibly.

Anyway, like I said, I don't care about the War on Drugs or the legalization of pot. I'm just saying that there are unintended consequences.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:03LightingRocks, I THINK the issue with chocolate and dogs is the caffeine content, which affects their heart rate more strongly than it does a human heart.

Anyway, like I said, I don't care about the War on Drugs or the legalization of pot. I'm just saying that there are unintended consequences.
You thought wrong. It's the theobromine in the chocolate, not the caffeine. Dog livers don't process it as well as humans. ;-)

It can also be used to get another prescription. "Really Doctor, the dog ate my pot."

Thanks for your post. Yes, there are unintended consequences, the same as passing any law. :tiphat:
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The Annoyed Man wrote:...."abraham snip"....
I've seen the worst that humans can do to a dog, unless you can think of something more barbaric than hanging one from a tree-branch....over a fire....high enough to torture but not for the purpose of cooking. I know it would be murder, but I could kill such a man without a second thought if I caught him in the act. I've only seen the results.

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Please call me for this occasion. I would enjoy nothing more than torturing that piece of garbage before you killed him. :mad5 :mad5 :mad5 Every time I read it I get madder than the time before.
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WildBill wrote:..."abraham snip"....

It can also be used to get another prescription. "Really Doctor, the dog ate my pot."
I don't know if they would be as tough on pot as they are pain pills but I managed to lose a half a prescription of Norco. It was about thirty pills. You would have thought I killed somebody! My Doctor gave me a fifteen minute lecture on drug abuse in south Dallas along with concerns about his prescription ending up in a gang bust. He was mad I didn't call the cops. I felt so bad about "doing him wrong", I called and filed a phone report with the Plano police. They gave me an "incident number" for my doctor. Might not be as easy as you think...LOL.
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There are unintended consequences with every freedom. Aspirin, pot, alcohol, adulthood, cars, guns, the list goes on and on. Now before anyone flames me I am not comparing any of the aforementioned to any other. What I am saying is that there will be irresponsible people involved in anything and everything this world has to offer. Many people can't even fathom thinking even one step ahead of "right now" so it is not surprising that we see more public examples of complete lacks of common sense these days. After all who is teaching our kids how to actually think?

We all have our weaknesses and our own irresponsibility. Whether it's as simple as forgetting to lock the car doors in the driveway or losing our glasses, we all have them. The point is that you can't blame the inanimate objects or even the freedom of choice. Stupidity is individual and the individuals need to be held accountable for their own stupid acts.

TAM, you stated: "MY interest in this story is whether or not we, both as a people and as a government, have a responsibility to act to protect pets /children/spouses/family/others from the consequences of their owners' /parent's/spouse's/friend's/other's/etc... folly when it comes _________ poisoning /mistreatment/abuse/guns/cars/sex/etc...)" You'll notice I took a little literary license... My apologies for that but I wanted you to see that the question you are asking is not just about drugs or pets, but it is actually the fundamental question at hand.

What is our own individual responsibility as a person, and what is the government's responsibility to protect us from ourselves (each other?)?

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steveincowtown wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote: I'm with Wildbill. I don't really think dog poisoning from marijuana will ever being more than an anomaly.
:iagree:

For all you dog lovers on the board, make sure to keep Hydrogen Peroxide handy. If you see your dog ingest something that you know will harm them, you can give them some to induce vomiting. We keep it a bottle at home, in the RV, and in our dogs "to go" bag.
I have never heard of Hydrogen Peroxide being used as an emetic. That's a new one on me. My dad always recommended Syrup of Ipecac to his clients for their pets.
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FWIW, I've used hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting in dogs. Recommended by my Vet, it's simple and it works. I have a 10cc hypodermic (no needle) and I squirt it down their throat while holding their head up. I used it last summer when my 30 pound Catahoula mix decided to swallow a dish washing sponge whole. It took about 2 minutes to induce vomiting, and the sponge came out again with no problems.
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puma guy wrote:
:iagree:

For all you dog lovers on the board, make sure to keep Hydrogen Peroxide handy. If you see your dog ingest something that you know will harm them, you can give them some to induce vomiting. We keep it a bottle at home, in the RV, and in our dogs "to go" bag.
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Diesel42 wrote:FWIW, I've used hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting in dogs. Recommended by my Vet, it's simple and it works. I have a 10cc hypodermic (no needle) and I squirt it down their throat while holding their head up. I used it last summer when my 30 pound Catahoula mix decided to swallow a dish washing sponge whole. It took about 2 minutes to induce vomiting, and the sponge came out again with no problems.
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Diesel42 wrote:FWIW, I've used hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting in dogs. Recommended by my Vet, it's simple and it works. I have a 10cc hypodermic (no needle) and I squirt it down their throat while holding their head up. I used it last summer when my 30 pound Catahoula mix decided to swallow a dish washing sponge whole. It took about 2 minutes to induce vomiting, and the sponge came out again with no problems.
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puma guy wrote: :iagree:
For all you dog lovers on the board, make sure to keep Hydrogen Peroxide handy. If you see your dog ingest something that you know will harm them, you can give them some to induce vomiting. We keep it a bottle at home, in the RV, and in our dogs "to go" bag.
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