Pot legalization and unintended consequences: Pet Poisonings

[Oldgringo]

I was just reading that. Interesting that the price of marijuana in Colorado will double as of tomorrow because of demand and the 30 some odd percent tax they have slapped on it. And so the great social experiment begins.

Yep, it will be the "blood in the streets" type argument again. Calvina Fay from the Drug Free America foundation claims 'it will be a disaster.'

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What is going to happen here is the same thing with concealed carry. Everyone against it thought it was going to be a disaster. Give it a few years and they will see that nothing really changes other than the states bank accounts are getting fatter from the healthy tax. Then, the rest of them will all follow suit.

I doubt we will ever see it in Texas though, we can't even get open carry passed here, much less legal sale of marijuana. Despite the huge amount of revenue it could generate. But Texas does not need the revenue like other states do. Texas is getting plenty fat off of the oil and gas industry.

I would vote for legalization in a heartbeat! I don't smoke the stuff but would not mind having the revenue come into the state rather than the State spending revenue throwing people in prison. I am hoping it works in Colorado so maybe Texas will consider it.

One mo' time....I agree with Lightnin'. This so-called war on drugs is going nowhere and won't go anywhere. Does the word, "Prohibition" ring any bells? FWIW I don't and have never.....

[Divided Attention]

FWIW, I've used hydrogen peroxide to induce vomiting in dogs. Recommended by my Vet, it's simple and it works.

For all you dog lovers on the board, make sure to keep Hydrogen Peroxide handy. If you see your dog ingest something that you know will harm them, you can give them some to induce vomiting. We keep it a bottle at home, in the RV, and in our dogs "to go" bag.

It never ceases to amaze me all of the things that I learn on the TexasCHLForum.

Our vet recommends equal parts H2O2 and yellow mustard. This has an nearly instantaneous effect so make sure you are outside. The first time I learned this was when a rescue bassett with some amazing skills got a bag of Hershey Kisses off the kitchen counter and ate the whole contents foil and all - Called the vet - administered the concoction and moments later - sparkly yard I also learned that most chocolate candies don't have enough cocoa in them to do a whole lot on a larger dog. The higher the cocoa content the more dangerous. Baking chocolate and my beloved 70% dark are guarded carefully from my fur-babies.

I don't know if the mustard acts as a catalyst, but the combo sure is effective.

[rbwhatever1]

$225 dollars an ounce? For the cheap stuff? I think I could carve out a few acres for a new cash crop. Where is the Texas Governor? I assume this new Law allows all Coloradans the ability to farm marijuana to be sold entirely within the borders of Colorado like any other agricultural produce? If the "growers" are the State or its minions we have a much bigger problem.

We have zero personal responsibility in this country. Something as simple as "don't work" "starve to death" has been removed from the consequences. I don't know what type of human would hang an animal from a tree and burn it alive to torture it but I believe in a Society with consequences these humans would have been purged from the herd long ago. One more result from the direct actions of a welfare State that steals from one and gives it to another. Our gene pool is out of whack...

[Diesel42]

Our vet recommends equal parts H2O2 and yellow mustard. This has an nearly instantaneous effect so make sure you are outside. The first time I learned this was when a rescue bassett with some amazing skills got a bag of Hershey Kisses off the kitchen counter and ate the whole contents foil and all - Called the vet - administered the concoction and moments later - sparkly yard I also learned that most chocolate candies don't have enough cocoa in them to do a whole lot on a larger dog. The higher the cocoa content the more dangerous. Baking chocolate and my beloved 70% dark are guarded carefully from my fur-babies.

I don't know if the mustard acts as a catalyst, but the combo sure is effective.

Thanks Divided Attention.
After spending hundreds of dollars on a rescue that ate a sock that plugged it's intestine, I was very anxious to get that sponge out of my puppy. The H2O2 by itself took long enough to get me worried. I'll add some yellow mustard if I ever need to do it again. BTW, the puppy, Shadow, was annoyed but didn't hold a grudge against me.

God bless this forum. Y'all have a wonderful New Year!
Nick

[03Lightningrocks]

Our vet recommends equal parts H2O2 and yellow mustard. This has an nearly instantaneous effect so make sure you are outside. The first time I learned this was when a rescue bassett with some amazing skills got a bag of Hershey Kisses off the kitchen counter and ate the whole contents foil and all - Called the vet - administered the concoction and moments later - sparkly yard I also learned that most chocolate candies don't have enough cocoa in them to do a whole lot on a larger dog. The higher the cocoa content the more dangerous. Baking chocolate and my beloved 70% dark are guarded carefully from my fur-babies.

I don't know if the mustard acts as a catalyst, but the combo sure is effective.

Thanks Divided Attention.
After spending hundreds of dollars on a rescue that ate a sock that plugged it's intestine, I was very anxious to get that sponge out of my puppy. The H2O2 by itself took long enough to get me worried. I'll add some yellow mustard if I ever need to do it again. BTW, the puppy, Shadow, was annoyed but didn't hold a grudge against me.

God bless this forum. Y'all have a wonderful New Year!
Nick

A sock? A sponge? I like your dog already!

[Diesel42]

A sock? A sponge? I like your dog already!

LOL! Two different dogs a few years apart. I guess I need a housekeeper, or less clever dogs.

[The Annoyed Man]

TAM, you stated: "MY interest in this story is whether or not we, both as a people and as a government, have a responsibility to act to protect pets /children/spouses/family/others from the consequences of their owners' /parent's/spouse's/friend's/other's/etc... folly when it comes _________ poisoning /mistreatment/abuse/guns/cars/sex/etc...)" You'll notice I took a little literary license... My apologies for that but I wanted you to see that the question you are asking is not just about drugs or pets, but it is actually the fundamental question at hand.

What is our own individual responsibility as a person, and what is the government's responsibility to protect us from ourselves (each other?)?

Max

You're absolutely right. I agree with your analysis. That's why I raised the question. We have lived for so long in a society which expects that government to solve all problems that this can become an automatic expectation whenever a new "need" is discovered. Obviously, this is one of the drivers of bloated government. But in some situations, there actually is a need. CPS, for instance. It often over-reaches, but conceptually, there actually is a need for an agency which can step in to save children from abusive situations. The issue isn't whether or not the concept is good, it's whether or not it is properly administered and fairly administered......balancing the need of a child for a safe environment against the rights of the parents. Whether such an agency should reside with local municipal government, county government, or state government, is for the people to decide. But for every horror story we hear about families who have been abused by CPS, there are hundreds of cases where the need was real and CPS did everything right.

So I guess that when I asked the question in this case, it was because I was genuinely interested to see if A) people thought this was even an issue at all; and B) if it is and issue, then is it something that needs to be handled by anyone other than the individually affected pet's owner.

[03Lightningrocks]

I don't think the mods are going to lock a thread for no reason at all. The responses are all respectful of each other, even if some disagree.

To address something brought up between Maxwell and TAM. I think most of us here agree that less government interference in our personal lives is better government. As a free society we must take responsibility for our actions and be capable of dealing with the consequences of our actions. If a person leaves pot laying out and his dog or kids or what ever gets into it and the results are negative, that person should be punished accordingly, not excused as a "victim of circumstances". Like others have mentioned here, guns are no different. If we leave a gun accessible to a person, child, what ever and the results are negative, we should and likely will be punished accordingly. If nothing else, we are going to spend our lives in regret. Making a law that requires we lock up our weapons is not the answer. It changes nothing. Stupid people will be stupid, no matter the law. It is the very same reason a person will kill another person, even if they know the law forbids it. Stupidity.

Think about it. We really have become so ignorant as a society the government has to make a law to keep us from allowing children access to drugs, alcohol, guns and even the keys to our cars and trucks? We need a law forbidding us from leaving items out our pets will eat and die? When did we all become so stupid we need a law to force us to use some common sense?

[OldCannon]

You thought wrong. It's the theobromine in the chocolate, not the caffeine. Dog livers don't process it as well as humans.

This. In fact, therobromone is pretty much not processed at all. It's like heavy metals in humans.

Speaking of which, excessive chocolate (or more accurately, the theobromine alkalines) can actually kill elderly adults too. True "Death By Chocolate."

[anygunanywhere]

Do the dogs get the munchies and crave Nutter Butter Peanut Butter Sandwich Cookies?

Anygunanywhere

[WildBill]

Do the dogs get the munchies and crave Nutter Butter Peanut Butter Sandwich Cookies?

Anygunanywhere

Pretty much all of the dogs that I have known have the permanent munchies.

[The Annoyed Man]

03LightingRocks, I THINK the issue with chocolate and dogs is the caffeine content, which affects their heart rate more strongly than it does a human heart.

Anyway, like I said, I don't care about the War on Drugs or the legalization of pot. I'm just saying that there are unintended consequences.

You thought wrong. It's the theobromine in the chocolate, not the caffeine. Dog livers don't process it as well as humans.

It can also be used to get another prescription. "Really Doctor, the dog ate my pot."

Thanks for your post. Yes, there are unintended consequences, the same as passing any law.

I stand corrected.

[WildBill]

I just read that New York will be the 21st state to allow medical marijuana. Interesting that Gov Cuomo will use executive action to allow this to happen. I wonder where he learned that trick?

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo will reportedly announce this week that the Empire State will become the 21st state in the union to allow medical use of marijuana.

The New York Times reported Saturday that Cuomo plans to use executive rather than legislative action to allow 20 hospitals to dispense marijuana for certain ailments, including cancer and glaucoma. He will formally announce his plans in his state of the state speech Wednesday.

The announcement would represent an about-face by Cuomo, who has previously opposed medical marijuana. Administration officials told The Times the medical marijuana policy will be more restrictive than in states like Colorado and California and subject to New York Health Department standards. Other controlled substances like narcotics are already authorized for medical use in New York.

Although marijuana remains illegal in New York, possession of small amounts has been reduced to a low-level violation subject to a fine.

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P.S.

Other controlled substances like narcotics are already authorized for medical use in New York.

For some reason, I find this extremely funny.