opinions on a safety concern with holster

[Big Bronze Rim]

And absolutely don't carry unless a round is chambered. Otherwise it's just an unloaded gun.

Edit previous comment as coming over as rude: No, that's just not true

I'm hardly a proponent of Israeli-carry, but I REALLY tire of folks implying that something is worthless unless it's always ready to go bang in a half-second. It might not be as fast as a chambered pistol, but it's not useless as you imply. While I - and perhaps you - would happily carry in Condition 1, others might not feel as confident in that - and THAT'S OK.

Well never said useless, just that it was an uloaded gun. I am fully aware that a round can be chambered relatively quickly, but try doing on your back one handed with an attacker on top you you.

Kindly don't patronize me - I've been doing this for a number of decades, and for real; this isn't theory for me. You've never heard of one-handed racking techniques, I take it? I teach a variety of those to folks who refuse to carry one-up so that at least they have some options until (or if) they're reading to carry one-up.

In no way was my intent to patronize you and I apologize. I suppose that having an unloaded gun that I could chamber if needed is better than no gun, and while it is far from optimal it isn't truly useless. I fully respect your level of experience, and while I haven't been carrying daily for decades (I've only carried for ~5 years every day but have taken numerous training classes in that time), I take my training and the training of my friends and family very seriously. I am fully aware of one handed racking techniques and have trained with them as well as many repetitions of one handed malfunction clearance drills. This further solidifies the thought I would never want to have to have to start a gunfight with an unloaded gun. My wife was uncomfortable at first carrying C1, but some discussion about the cons of anything other than C1 carry and more training got her confident to carry C1. Now she wouldn't condone anything less.

If you can't get it loaded it's just as useful as a brick or club, maybe less so. I can't think of a realistic scenario where I would actually want the gun in something other than C1, how I prefer to carry.

You and me both - but everyone is not us. You probably couldn't find a bigger proponent of Condition 1 than me - but everyone out there is not me or you.

I agree that not everyone is as confident with a chambered weapon and to each their own, but I would urge those that aren't comfortable to get some training and maybe that will improve confidence and impress upon them the importance of carrying C1.

That's my point - give them time to grow into it, but if they are still not comfortable, they're still not comfortable and you have to let them live life their way.

I just feel it's important to impress upon less experienced people the limitations of carrying that way that those who have trained realize is a handicap. They may not realize the cons of this mode of carry and think that they will be able to easily chamber a round under duress without any training. Ultimately they can make their own decision but it's best if that decision is based on understanding through good information and training. Everyone has to start somewhere and we all have to learn at our own pace and sometimes we learn things the hard way(or get training scars), but I would hate to have the hard way cost me my life or the life of one of my loved ones.

Best regards,
Brad

[RKlenka]

No, THAT IS OK for them - because it's none of your business how someone else carries. Confidence is built through experience - allow them time to develop that experience, but if you're going to force someone to assume a confidence they don't actually have, it's an accident waiting to happen. Am I going to force a new 1911 owner to carry cocked and locked when they have the screaming meemies seeing a cocked hammer? Forget it; I'll develop their confidence over time and if ultimately they still decide to carry something other than Condition 1, that's their choice - however much I might personally differ.

What you're talking about is the ideal world, where (I presume) everyone should carry Condition 1; this ain't an ideal world and it's real arrogant to presume to tell another how to carry. Their life, their decision.

I'm not really concerned in how they are carrying, I am concerned in why they are carrying that way. If they do not have the confidence to carry their firearm then they should not be carrying their firearm. Get the confidence in a controlled environment, not sitting next to me in a restaurant. Carry at home until you realize that its not just going to go off in your pocket. When the bad guy is all up in your business is not the ideal time to find your confidence. Putting yourself at a disadvantage because you don't trust yourself is not OK especially when it can be so easily fixed.

Now if they have all confidence in the world and just prefer that carry, who knows maybe they just like the sound of charging it or something, then that is a whole other issue.

For DA/SA I'm more of a fan of decocked and unlocked than cocked and locked myself but that's just personal preference. If a 1911 owner with the intent to carry it has a confidence issue with his firearm than he should choose a different firearm or spend more time practicing. But then again that is a bit different then not having one in the chamber to start with.