New to CHL.......this off limits?

[ZOE511]

Ok I am looking at getting a CHL. I was talking with a LEO about CHL laws. He admitted he was not that familiar.

Are these places off limits?

Churches? (Have to be posted now right?)
Hospitals
US Post Office
Police Depts
Buildings where a court is


I tried searching but wasnt doing it right I guess.

[txinvestigator]

Ok I am looking at getting a CHL. I was talking with a LEO about CHL laws. He admitted he was not that familiar.

Are these places off limits?

Churches? (Have to be posted now right?)
Hospitals
US Post Office
Police Depts
Buildings where a court is


I tried searching but wasnt doing it right I guess.

When you take the class, you will learn all of the off limit places. Until then, here are the laws restricting CHL carry;

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/do ... m#46.03.00

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/do ... #46.035.00

[LedJedi]

Ok I am looking at getting a CHL. I was talking with a LEO about CHL laws. He admitted he was not that familiar.

Are these places off limits?

Churches? (Have to be posted now right?)
Hospitals
US Post Office
Police Depts
Buildings where a court is


I tried searching but wasnt doing it right I guess.

When you take the class, you will learn all of the off limit places. Until then, here are the laws restricting CHL carry;

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/do ... m#46.03.00

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/do ... #46.035.00

hey Tx, is that the most up to date verbage? according to that churches, hospitals, sporting events, etc are still off limits without being posted.

(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under
Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing
home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the
license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing
home administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other
established place of religious worship.

[txinvestigator]

Ok I am looking at getting a CHL. I was talking with a LEO about CHL laws. He admitted he was not that familiar.

Are these places off limits?

Churches? (Have to be posted now right?)
Hospitals
US Post Office
Police Depts
Buildings where a court is


I tried searching but wasnt doing it right I guess.

When you take the class, you will learn all of the off limit places. Until then, here are the laws restricting CHL carry;

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/do ... m#46.03.00

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/do ... #46.035.00

hey Tx, is that the most up to date verbage? according to that churches, hospitals, sporting events, etc are still off limits without being posted.

(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under
Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing
home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the
license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing
home administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other
established place of religious worship.

Gotta read it all

(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply
if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

Professional Sporting events don't need 30.06.

[LedJedi]

oh yeah... i read that... it just didn't "click"

in the immortal words of Homer, "DOH!"


ok, another question then. As i read this below it sounds like the civilian possession of of OC/CS would be illegal. I know from various sources I consider reliable that it's not.

§ 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures,
transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official
duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law
enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the
National Firearms Act, as amended.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this
section that the actor's conduct:
(1) was incidental to dealing with a switchblade
knife, springblade knife, or short-barrel firearm solely as an
antique or curio; or
(2) was incidental to dealing with armor-piercing
ammunition solely for the purpose of making the ammunition
available to an organization, agency, or institution listed in
Subsection (b).
(e) An offense under this section is a felony of the third
degree unless it is committed under Subsection (a)(5) or (a)(6), in
which event, it is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section for
the possession of a chemical dispensing device that the actor is a
security officer and has received training on the use of the
chemical dispensing device by a training program that is:
(1) provided by the Commission on Law Enforcement
Officer Standards and Education; or
(2) approved for the purposes described by this
subsection by the Texas Private Security Board of the Department of
Public Safety.
(g) In Subsection (f), "security officer" means a
commissioned security officer as defined by Section 1702.002,
Occupations Code, or a noncommissioned security officer registered
under Section 1702.221, Occupations Code.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 918, ch. 342, § 15, eff.
Sept. 1, 1975; Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 2650, ch. 457, § 2, eff.
Sept. 1, 1983; Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 4831, ch. 852, § 2, eff.
Sept. 1, 1983; Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 167, § 5.01(a)(47),
eff. Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 229, § 2, eff.
Sept. 1, 1991; Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 46.06 and
amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1071, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003;
Acts 2005, 79th Leg., ch. 1035, § 2.01, eff. Sept. 1, 2005; Acts
2005, 79th Leg., ch. 1278, § 7, eff. Sept. 1, 2005.

oh, and what the heck is a zip gun?

sorry for th 20 questions.

[seamusTX]

oh, and what the heck is a zip gun?

Pepper spray and similar devices intended for personal protection are legal in Texas. Anything you can buy over the counter will be legal.

A chemical dispensing device is essentially a tear gas dispenser for police or military use.

A zip gun is a homemade gun, typically a piece of plumbing pipe with a crude firing mechanism.

- Jim

[txinvestigator]

oh yeah... i read that... it just didn't "click"

in the immortal words of Homer, "DOH!"


ok, another question then. As i read this below it sounds like the civilian possession of of OC/CS would be illegal. I know from various sources I consider reliable that it's not.

§ 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an
offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures,
transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.
(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official
duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law
enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.
(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the
National Firearms Act, as amended.
(d) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this
section that the actor's conduct:
(1) was incidental to dealing with a switchblade
knife, springblade knife, or short-barrel firearm solely as an
antique or curio; or
(2) was incidental to dealing with armor-piercing
ammunition solely for the purpose of making the ammunition
available to an organization, agency, or institution listed in
Subsection (b).
(e) An offense under this section is a felony of the third
degree unless it is committed under Subsection (a)(5) or (a)(6), in
which event, it is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) It is a defense to prosecution under this section for
the possession of a chemical dispensing device that the actor is a
security officer and has received training on the use of the
chemical dispensing device by a training program that is:
(1) provided by the Commission on Law Enforcement
Officer Standards and Education; or
(2) approved for the purposes described by this
subsection by the Texas Private Security Board of the Department of
Public Safety.
(g) In Subsection (f), "security officer" means a
commissioned security officer as defined by Section 1702.002,
Occupations Code, or a noncommissioned security officer registered
under Section 1702.221, Occupations Code.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 918, ch. 342, § 15, eff.
Sept. 1, 1975; Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 2650, ch. 457, § 2, eff.
Sept. 1, 1983; Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 4831, ch. 852, § 2, eff.
Sept. 1, 1983; Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 167, § 5.01(a)(47),
eff. Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 229, § 2, eff.
Sept. 1, 1991; Renumbered from V.T.C.A., Penal Code § 46.06 and
amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1071, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003;
Acts 2005, 79th Leg., ch. 1035, § 2.01, eff. Sept. 1, 2005; Acts
2005, 79th Leg., ch. 1278, § 7, eff. Sept. 1, 2005.

oh, and what the heck is a zip gun?

sorry for th 20 questions.

Ditto what Seamus wrote;

Here is the definition from 46.01 of a chemical dispensing device;

(14) "Chemical dispensing device" means a device,
other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for
personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the
purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse
psychological or physiological effect on a human being.

[LedJedi]

ahhh, i knew there had to be some logic behind it.

thanks guys.

*sits down and behaves himself*

[bauerdj]

ZIP guns were usually made from an automobile radio antenna (the old extendable type), a nail and some rubber bands. Fired a .22 round. Ya gotta be from NY.........

Dave B.

[BobCat]

...or Chicago. Beat me to it Dave.