MechAg94 wrote:If you are going to open carry, I would think situational awareness is extremely important. You may be exercising your rights, but it is like walking around wearing a Rolex. You have to be aware that everyone can see that you are carrying something valuable.
I tell my female friends something similar. Some of them get it. Some of them insist they have a right to dress however they like. They may be exercising their rights, but criminals don't make a habit of respecting our rights.
Hindenburg wrote:It sounds like it was a .22 target pistol so I don't think he was carrying it for self defense. In that case, it's not much different than if that crook robbed somebody openly displaying a nice watch or other jewelry, or carjacked someone with a fancy car. It's also not a very big step for someone like that to rape a young woman who openly displayed her legs or cleavage in a nightclub after midnight.
All of those crimes could be prevented if the victims use some common sense but I'm not going to blame a victim just because I don't like their lifestyle choices.
I had the same reaction. Every study I've read on the subject concludes that how a woman is dressed has very little to do with her being selected as a victim by a rapist. A woman in a jogging suit out after midnight has as much chance of being a rape victim as a scantily clad woman leaving a bar after midnight.
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Hindenburg wrote: In that case, it's not much different than if that crook robbed somebody openly displaying a nice watch or other jewelry, or carjacked someone with a fancy car. It's also not a very big step for someone like that to rape a young woman who openly displayed her legs or cleavage in a nightclub after midnight. All of those crimes could be prevented if the victims use some common sense but I'm not going to blame a victim just because I don't like their lifestyle choices.
Just to be clear...as long as a young woman openly displayed her legs or cleavage in a nightclub BEFORE midnight it would be OK ? But I guess if she showed some leg while getting out of a BMW, wearing a rolex and an engagement ring, she pretty much had it coming? Well...glad to know you're not going to blame the victim.
"I looked out under the sun and saw that the race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong" Ecclesiastes 9:11
"The race may not always go to the swift or the battle to the strong, but that's the way the smart money bets" Damon Runyon
It isn't a matter of blaming the victim. I don't propose to start stoning women for rape. It is a matter of recognizing behaviors that put a person at a higher risk of being a victim. It may not be the clothing or displaying valuable items. It may be where they are and when. It may be their attitude and how much it appears they are paying attention. It is about recognizing how to avoid being a victim. Even if someone does none of those things right, we still punish the criminal. I honestly shouldn't have to explain that sort of common sense.
According to the article, the only thing the hijacker took was his openly-carried handgun. He wasn't relieved of his wallet, credit cards, money clip, cell phone or his tennis shoes. This fact alone indicates that the only reason he was targeted was because his handgun was clearly visible.
A single incident doesn't prove even correlation, much less causation. However, I've never seen any evidence that open-carry prevents crime, claims by supporters of open-carry notwithstanding. I simply find this incident ironic and still unreported on Texas open-carry websites. Their philosophy: Make all manner of outlandish and overblown predictions of lower crime and no backlash by private business owners without a shred of proof, then utterly ignore events that tend to disprove those claims.
Hindenburg wrote:It sounds like it was a .22 target pistol so I don't think he was carrying it for self defense. In that case, it's not much different than if that crook robbed somebody openly displaying a nice watch or other jewelry, or carjacked someone with a fancy car. It's also not a very big step for someone like that to rape a young woman who openly displayed her legs or cleavage in a nightclub after midnight.
All of those crimes could be prevented if the victims use some common sense but I'm not going to blame a victim just because I don't like their lifestyle choices.
That is some misguided thinking right there.
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Some people have posted the article to their page. There response to one of them was "that is a first". No other comment or response.
The posts to the page can be found on the left hand side of the page. You may have to scroll down some. Otherwise, they are pretty much ignoring it.
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Hindenburg wrote:All of those crimes could be prevented if the victims use some common sense but I'm not going to blame a victim just because I don't like their lifestyle choices.
NO....THEY COULD NOT
Ordinary people, leading ordinary lives, behaving in ordinary manners, get carjacked, robbed and raped every day...that's why we have a CHL. None of us would suddenly feel an overwhelming compulsion to commit those acts just because we saw someone wearing a watch, ring, or short skirt...because we are not criminals and thugs. Those things happen because there are bad people out there that do bad things. The guilt and responsibilty lies squarely on the perpetrators alone.
"I looked out under the sun and saw that the race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong" Ecclesiastes 9:11
"The race may not always go to the swift or the battle to the strong, but that's the way the smart money bets" Damon Runyon
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jmra wrote:21yo out at 2:00am open carrying a .22 gets robbed by a teenager.
This has stupid written all over it. The sad thing - all totally preventable by simply going to bed at a decent hour.
I agree that it has stupid written all over it but for those of us who work late nights, or have, it isn't abnormal to be up at hours many think we should be sleeping. I don't know what this guy was up to at that hour but being up at abnormal hours isn't a reason to be robbed.
and one more. I know they are there because I saw them and one of the posts were done by me.
Here is there response to one of the posts.
Open Carry Texas That's a first.
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I tell my female friends something similar. Some of them get it. Some of them insist they have a right to dress however they like. They may be exercising their rights, but criminals don't make a habit of respecting our rights.
