OC Bill has been signed, but now what?

[Charlies.Contingency]

I'm still concerned as to how this will affect where we can carry and such. How is this going to work with 30.06 exactly with the wording and all? I have TABC Blue signs which forbid the unlicensed carry of a firearm, so technically somebody could walk in open carrying their 1911 or whatever it be. I would not allow that in my business, as if you want to carry here, you must conceal it and keep it to your self. I fear many places will start putting up signs with our Open Carry Advocates running around.

So does that mean you will be putting up a 30.07 sign? if we see any change I would expect it to be with the posting of 30.07 signs.

I sincerely hope to see 30.07 in place. As far as I was aware, that was not going to be in place as of yet. If so, I would not, simply do to not intending to cause undue punishment for those wishing to express their rights. (Assuming the penalty may be steeper than necessary.) I've already had this discussion with those under my command, and as of now, there is no restriction, but anybody open carrying will not be permitted to enter or stay in the building. Keep it concealed, nobody needs to see it. I run a class establishment, with dancing and music, nobody needs to be on a dance floor with a open carry weapon IMO. If you wish to conceal, I fully support it in my business, though I would like a heads up.

30.07 is part of the bill and will go into effect the same time as open carry on 1-1-16. If posting 30.07 it has to be posted at every entrance to the establishment.

Nice, can you provide me a link to look over the coming 30.07? I'll try to look it up at the same time in case you don't reply any time soon.

Edited to add:
I did find this so far, that is it.
http://www.[Pre-paid legal service].com/forums/vi ... f=6&t=1209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[joe817]

I am very aware of this, you may have misinterpreted my comment Joe. This is in reference to after Jan. 1 2016 when we have licensed open carry. If somebody came in with a gun in the open right now, they would have a welcoming committee they would not easily forget.

That I did Charles. My apologies sir!

And believe you me, I would stand by(not behind, lol) you, in the welcoming committee, with an invite to vacate the premises.

[Charlies.Contingency]

I am very aware of this, you may have misinterpreted my comment Joe. This is in reference to after Jan. 1 2016 when we have licensed open carry. If somebody came in with a gun in the open right now, they would have a welcoming committee they would not easily forget.

That I did Charles. My apologies sir!

And believe you me, I would stand by(not behind, lol) you, in the welcoming committee, with an invite to vacate the premises.

No worries, I figured I didn't deliver my speech as intended. I assumed others understood what I was saying, while leaving out critical need to know information. My wife says I do it all the time. Sometimes it might be intentional though. I just want to read the new verbiage for 30.07 now.

[jmra]

I'm still concerned as to how this will affect where we can carry and such. How is this going to work with 30.06 exactly with the wording and all? I have TABC Blue signs which forbid the unlicensed carry of a firearm, so technically somebody could walk in open carrying their 1911 or whatever it be. I would not allow that in my business, as if you want to carry here, you must conceal it and keep it to your self. I fear many places will start putting up signs with our Open Carry Advocates running around.

So does that mean you will be putting up a 30.07 sign? if we see any change I would expect it to be with the posting of 30.07 signs.

I sincerely hope to see 30.07 in place. As far as I was aware, that was not going to be in place as of yet. If so, I would not, simply do to not intending to cause undue punishment for those wishing to express their rights. (Assuming the penalty may be steeper than necessary.) I've already had this discussion with those under my command, and as of now, there is no restriction, but anybody open carrying will not be permitted to enter or stay in the building. Keep it concealed, nobody needs to see it. I run a class establishment, with dancing and music, nobody needs to be on a dance floor with a open carry weapon IMO. If you wish to conceal, I fully support it in my business, though I would like a heads up.

30.07 is part of the bill and will go into effect the same time as open carry on 1-1-16. If posting 30.07 it has to be posted at every entrance to the establishment.

Nice, can you provide me a link to look over the coming 30.07? I'll try to look it up at the same time in case you don't reply any time soon.

Edited to add:
I did find this so far, that is it.
http://www.[Pre-paid legal service].com/forums/vi ... f=6&t=1209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is the text of the bill
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... navpanes=0
30.07 starts on page 30 line 24.

[Charlies.Contingency]

I'm still concerned as to how this will affect where we can carry and such. How is this going to work with 30.06 exactly with the wording and all? I have TABC Blue signs which forbid the unlicensed carry of a firearm, so technically somebody could walk in open carrying their 1911 or whatever it be. I would not allow that in my business, as if you want to carry here, you must conceal it and keep it to your self. I fear many places will start putting up signs with our Open Carry Advocates running around.

So does that mean you will be putting up a 30.07 sign? if we see any change I would expect it to be with the posting of 30.07 signs.

I sincerely hope to see 30.07 in place. As far as I was aware, that was not going to be in place as of yet. If so, I would not, simply do to not intending to cause undue punishment for those wishing to express their rights. (Assuming the penalty may be steeper than necessary.) I've already had this discussion with those under my command, and as of now, there is no restriction, but anybody open carrying will not be permitted to enter or stay in the building. Keep it concealed, nobody needs to see it. I run a class establishment, with dancing and music, nobody needs to be on a dance floor with a open carry weapon IMO. If you wish to conceal, I fully support it in my business, though I would like a heads up.

30.07 is part of the bill and will go into effect the same time as open carry on 1-1-16. If posting 30.07 it has to be posted at every entrance to the establishment.

Nice, can you provide me a link to look over the coming 30.07? I'll try to look it up at the same time in case you don't reply any time soon.

Edited to add:
I did find this so far, that is it.
http://www.[Pre-paid legal service].com/forums/vi ... f=6&t=1209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is the text of the bill
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... navpanes=0
30.07 starts on page 30 line 24.

Thank you kindly JMRA, made a print out of the big changes: 30-32, and gave them to my guys, and I'll probably keep some around to hand out. Just talked to two P.O.'s, and neither of them new you could verbally tell somebody they could not carry either open or concealed, they thought it had to be posted, or it was completely allowed. I still don't plan on posting a 30.07 sign, as if I can see it, my verbal warning is enough if I don't care for the way they're carrying in my establishment. If it's deemed not appropriate at the time they carry, I'll tell them I guess. I don't exactly plan on letting anybody OC unless it's one of my guys, except for the fact that they already do.

Were there any other big changes this Legislative session JMRA? I've been trying to kep up, but work is taking up all my time.

Hey JMRA, I just got asked, and I wasn't quite sure, what's the current standing on stop and ID for open carriers so far? Is there anything as of yet?

[K.Mooneyham]

To the OP, I am now confused. I thought you said something about TABC. If you are running a 51% establishment, then no one should be carrying any handguns into your establishment, concealed included. And that won't change come January 1, 2016, either. 51% establishments will still be off-limits to those carrying handguns, concealed or open. I hope you understand that, if you are indeed running a 51% establishment.

[Charlies.Contingency]

To the OP, I am now confused. I thought you said something about TABC. If you are running a 51% establishment, then no one should be carrying any handguns into your establishment, concealed included. And that won't change come January 1, 2016, either. 51% establishments will still be off-limits to those carrying handguns, concealed or open. I hope you understand that, if you are indeed running a 51% establishment.

I don't recall the OP mentioning anything TABC, but I did. And there are two different TABC signs in reference to us. The TABC RED %51 and the TABC BLUE under %51. I mentioned that I have a TABC BLUE sign.

Hope that cleared it up.

[jmra]

I'm still concerned as to how this will affect where we can carry and such. How is this going to work with 30.06 exactly with the wording and all? I have TABC Blue signs which forbid the unlicensed carry of a firearm, so technically somebody could walk in open carrying their 1911 or whatever it be. I would not allow that in my business, as if you want to carry here, you must conceal it and keep it to your self. I fear many places will start putting up signs with our Open Carry Advocates running around.

So does that mean you will be putting up a 30.07 sign? if we see any change I would expect it to be with the posting of 30.07 signs.

I sincerely hope to see 30.07 in place. As far as I was aware, that was not going to be in place as of yet. If so, I would not, simply do to not intending to cause undue punishment for those wishing to express their rights. (Assuming the penalty may be steeper than necessary.) I've already had this discussion with those under my command, and as of now, there is no restriction, but anybody open carrying will not be permitted to enter or stay in the building. Keep it concealed, nobody needs to see it. I run a class establishment, with dancing and music, nobody needs to be on a dance floor with a open carry weapon IMO. If you wish to conceal, I fully support it in my business, though I would like a heads up.

30.07 is part of the bill and will go into effect the same time as open carry on 1-1-16. If posting 30.07 it has to be posted at every entrance to the establishment.

Nice, can you provide me a link to look over the coming 30.07? I'll try to look it up at the same time in case you don't reply any time soon.

Edited to add:
I did find this so far, that is it.
http://www.[Pre-paid legal service].com/forums/vi ... f=6&t=1209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is the text of the bill
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... navpanes=0
30.07 starts on page 30 line 24.

Thank you kindly JMRA, made a print out of the big changes: 30-32, and gave them to my guys, and I'll probably keep some around to hand out. Just talked to two P.O.'s, and neither of them new you could verbally tell somebody they could not carry either open or concealed, they thought it had to be posted, or it was completely allowed. I still don't plan on posting a 30.07 sign, as if I can see it, my verbal warning is enough if I don't care for the way they're carrying in my establishment. If it's deemed not appropriate at the time they carry, I'll tell them I guess. I don't exactly plan on letting anybody OC unless it's one of my guys, except for the fact that they already do.

Were there any other big changes this Legislative session JMRA? I've been trying to kep up, but work is taking up all my time.

Hey JMRA, I just got asked, and I wasn't quite sure, what's the current standing on stop and ID for open carriers so far? Is there anything as of yet?

There was an amendment that addressed the stop and ID issue but it was removed in conference. Most believe that as long as you aren't doing anything illegal the 4th amendment protects you. Time will tell.

[Charlies.Contingency]

I'm still concerned as to how this will affect where we can carry and such. How is this going to work with 30.06 exactly with the wording and all? I have TABC Blue signs which forbid the unlicensed carry of a firearm, so technically somebody could walk in open carrying their 1911 or whatever it be. I would not allow that in my business, as if you want to carry here, you must conceal it and keep it to your self. I fear many places will start putting up signs with our Open Carry Advocates running around.

So does that mean you will be putting up a 30.07 sign? if we see any change I would expect it to be with the posting of 30.07 signs.

I sincerely hope to see 30.07 in place. As far as I was aware, that was not going to be in place as of yet. If so, I would not, simply do to not intending to cause undue punishment for those wishing to express their rights. (Assuming the penalty may be steeper than necessary.) I've already had this discussion with those under my command, and as of now, there is no restriction, but anybody open carrying will not be permitted to enter or stay in the building. Keep it concealed, nobody needs to see it. I run a class establishment, with dancing and music, nobody needs to be on a dance floor with a open carry weapon IMO. If you wish to conceal, I fully support it in my business, though I would like a heads up.

30.07 is part of the bill and will go into effect the same time as open carry on 1-1-16. If posting 30.07 it has to be posted at every entrance to the establishment.

Nice, can you provide me a link to look over the coming 30.07? I'll try to look it up at the same time in case you don't reply any time soon.

Edited to add:
I did find this so far, that is it.
http://www.[Pre-paid legal service].com/forums/vi ... f=6&t=1209" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is the text of the bill
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... navpanes=0
30.07 starts on page 30 line 24.

Thank you kindly JMRA, made a print out of the big changes: 30-32, and gave them to my guys, and I'll probably keep some around to hand out. Just talked to two P.O.'s, and neither of them new you could verbally tell somebody they could not carry either open or concealed, they thought it had to be posted, or it was completely allowed. I still don't plan on posting a 30.07 sign, as if I can see it, my verbal warning is enough if I don't care for the way they're carrying in my establishment. If it's deemed not appropriate at the time they carry, I'll tell them I guess. I don't exactly plan on letting anybody OC unless it's one of my guys, except for the fact that they already do.

Were there any other big changes this Legislative session JMRA? I've been trying to kep up, but work is taking up all my time.

Hey JMRA, I just got asked, and I wasn't quite sure, what's the current standing on stop and ID for open carriers so far? Is there anything as of yet?

There was an amendment that addressed the stop and ID issue but it was removed in conference. Most believe that as long as you aren't doing anything illegal the 4th amendment protects you. Time will tell.

Agreed, if on the other side, I would at least go and talk to an OC'er, and if they want to talk, fine. If not, oh well. If they give an opportunity to legally ID, I would. I would however be less suspicious of somebody with an ID of sorts shown, though not required. If I saw somebody with an ID holder that covered the sensitive parts of their CHL, and I just got to see the big red letters, I would mosey along. Just me though, everybody's different.

Thanks anyway JMRA, I knew I could ask you and get a straight answer.

(Just realized I haven't been this actively posting in months. Usually just watch and observe, sure glad this place is here.)

[drjoker]

I don't plan on open carrying while walking around town, BUT I would open carry in my vehicle because the seat belt makes it impossible to draw one handed if the weapon is under a cover garment while driving with the other hand. I can keep it holstered at the 3 o'clock positioned, openly, with the seat belt brushed aside a bit.

However, if I were at a traffic stop, I would get my wallet out with insurance, license, and registration in my wallet before the police officer gets out of his car. Then, have both hands at the 12 o'clock position before the officer even exits the car. Some officers are very skittish and will freak out at the sight of, or even mention of a gun. My wife was at a traffic stop and she was NOT carrying. She has a CHL. The officer was cordial until he ran her license and found out she had a CHL. He then YELLS at her for not informing him she has a CHL. She tells him she is NOT carrying so she has no duty to inform him that she has NO weapon. He rants some more about officer safety and threatens to write her a ticket for a burned out tail light. Only after she apologizes and promises to inform in the future does he start to chill out.

I WOULD OC at my local gun shop or gun club bbq AFTER I buy a new 1911 bbq gun. Glocks are great but make horrible bbq guns. I'm gonna get it gold plated with antique ivory or bone grips that are scrimshawed (or at least a 3d printed facsimile).

I need y'alls help, if you don't mind. Now that Open Carry has been signed into law by the governor, I'm a CHLer, how does it affect me. For the record, I do not plan to open carry.

Laymens terms, please and thank you.

[casp625]

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00195I.pdf
I don't plan on open carrying while walking around town, BUT I would open carry in my vehicle because the seat belt makes it impossible to draw one handed if the weapon is under a cover garment while driving with the other hand. I can keep it holstered at the 3 o'clock positioned, openly, with the seat belt brushed aside a bit.

However, if I were at a traffic stop, I would get my wallet out with insurance, license, and registration in my wallet before the police officer gets out of his car. Then, have both hands at the 12 o'clock position before the officer even exits the car. Some officers are very skittish and will freak out at the sight of, or even mention of a gun. My wife was at a traffic stop and she was NOT carrying. She has a CHL. The officer was cordial until he ran her license and found out she had a CHL. He then YELLS at her for not informing him she has a CHL. She tells him she is NOT carrying so she has no duty to inform him that she has NO weapon. He rants some more about officer safety and threatens to write her a ticket for a burned out tail light. Only after she apologizes and promises to inform in the future does he start to chill out.

I WOULD OC at my local gun shop or gun club bbq AFTER I buy a new 1911 bbq gun. Glocks are great but make horrible bbq guns. I'm gonna get it gold plated with antique ivory or bone grips that are scrimshawed (or at least a 3d printed facsimile).

I need y'alls help, if you don't mind. Now that Open Carry has been signed into law by the governor, I'm a CHLer, how does it affect me. For the record, I do not plan to open carry.

Laymens terms, please and thank you.

I hope you posted a link to HB 195 ("constitutional carry" by Stickland) as an accident as that is not what passed.