cbr600's timeline

[cbr600]

09-07: Mailed application request to DPS
09-22: Took the CHL class at Top Gun
09-24: Mailed my completed application to DPS
09-29: Received new application packet from DPS (see 09-07)
10-04: DPS deposited my check for the application fee
10-22: Received a letter from DPS requesting a color copy of my NC DL
10-23: Mailed color copy of DL (and NC CHP) to DPS via certified mail
10-26: Accepted a job offer from [a Houston-based company]
10-27: DPS received my letter (per USPS Track & Confirm)

[Vic303]

Congrats on the new job! When will you move? Don't forget you MUST update your new TX address w/DPS and I think you have to get a NEW in-state resident CHL permit...

[cbr600]

Congrats on the new job! When will you move? Don't forget you MUST update your new TX address w/DPS and I think you have to get a NEW in-state resident CHL permit...

I start in two weeks. My actual move date will depend on how long it takes to find an apartment, pack up everything here, hire movers, etc.

I think I have 30 days after becoming a resident to get a Texas DL. (Does it reset the clock if I go out of state? )

[Vic303]

Yep 30 days on the TXDL. Will check on CHL.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... otexas.htm

30 days to change address on CHL, BUT I do not know/can't find the stuff on non-resident conversion to resident.
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/rea ... ch=6&rl=19

[Vic303]

I think you need to read the GC 411.184 section on Modification... but I'm NOT a lawyer!

[cbr600]

I think you need to read the GC 411.184 section on Modification... but I'm NOT a lawyer!

If I receive my non-resident CHL before I move, I believe 411.181 applies. (I qualified with a semi-automatic, so 411.184 is a non-issue.) In that case I expect to pay my $25 and get a duplicate license. I don't see anything to suggest it would be different than any other CHL address change.

My understanding is I'm not a "license holder" until my status is "Application Completed - license issued or certificate active" so it would seem 411.181 doesn't apply until such time as they issue my license. If I move first, well, it may be that I can avoid the $25 fee if I notify DPS of my new address before they issue my CHL. However, there's no guarantee that doing so won't delay issuance. (Anybody know?)

From a practical standpoint, I'll be in a hotel for a few days (or weeks) until I find a suitable apartment. I do plan to get a Texas DL within a week or two of renting an apartment... if I don't have to jump through too many hoops to register the car I drive (but don't own.)

[Vic303]

Aha, my error! I was under the misunderstanding that you already had your non-resident permit. Apologies, and again, welcome to Texas! :)
Vic

[cbr600]

no worries... and thanks for the welcome to Texas!


(Am I legally required to paint "GTT" on my front door when I leave NC?)

[Kalrog]

If I move first, well, it may be that I can avoid the $25 fee if I notify DPS of my new address before they issue my CHL. However, there's no guarantee that doing so won't delay issuance. (Anybody know?)

Well, I moved between when I took the course and submitted my paperwork and when it was issued. I was able to change the address without paying the additional fee. But it only worked out that way because it took nearly 120 days for me to get my license (still unexplained why it took so long). If they had met the 60 day legal requirement, I would have gladly paid the extra $25.

[txinvestigator]

I think you need to read the GC 411.184 section on Modification... but I'm NOT a lawyer!

A modified license is where you change from NSA to SA, and the only time you are required to send the one back that was changed when you get the new one.

411.181 is for name or address change, and does not require the license to be returned to DPS.

[txinvestigator]

If I move first, well, it may be that I can avoid the $25 fee if I notify DPS of my new address before they issue my CHL. However, there's no guarantee that doing so won't delay issuance. (Anybody know?)

Well, I moved between when I took the course and submitted my paperwork and when it was issued. I was able to change the address without paying the additional fee. But it only worked out that way because it took nearly 120 days for me to get my license (still unexplained why it took so long). If they had met the 60 day legal requirement, I would have gladly paid the extra $25.

It is NOT a 60 day legal requirement;

here is an explanation I worked up

Texas Government Code
§ 411.177. ISSUANCE OR DENIAL OF LICENSE

(b) The department shall, not later than the 60th day after
the date of the receipt by the director's designee of the completed
application materials: (1) issue the license;
(2) notify the applicant in writing that the
application was denied:
(A) on the grounds that the applicant failed to
qualify under the criteria listed in Section 411.172;
(B) based on the affidavit of the director's
designee submitted to the department under Section 411.176(b); or
(C) based on the affidavit of the qualified
handgun instructor submitted to the department under Section
411.189(c); or
(3) notify the applicant in writing that the
department is unable to make a determination regarding the issuance
or denial of a license to the applicant within the 60-day period
prescribed by this subsection and include in that notification an
explanation of the reason for the inability and an estimation of the
amount of time the department will need to make the determination.
(c) Failure of the department to issue or deny a license for
a period of more than 30 days after the department is required to
act under Subsection (b) constitutes denial.
(d) A license issued under this subchapter is effective from
the date of issuance.

DPS has 30 days to get the application to its designee

Texas Government Code
§ 411.176. REVIEW OF APPLICATION MATERIALS. (a) On
receipt of the application materials by the department at its
Austin headquarters, the department shall conduct the appropriate
criminal history record check of the applicant through its
computerized criminal history system. Not later than the 30th day
after the date the department receives the application materials,
the department shall forward the materials to the director's
designee in the geographical area of the applicant's residence so
that the designee may conduct the investigation described by
Subsection (b).

DPS has 30 days to get the material to the designee in the geographical area of the applicants residence (for this post, I will call that person the DPS investigator). That DPS investigator has 60 days from the date the department received the materials to complete his investigation and submit his finding back to DPS.

The department has 60 days from when the Investigator receives the application from the dept. to take one of the actions in 411.177(b). That could be as long as 90 days from when DPS receives the application. Lets take a case where DPS takes 30 days to get the app to the investigator, the investigator would then have an additional 30 days to do his investigation and get the app back to DPS. That could take up to a max of 60 total days. Then DPS has 60 days after the investigator received the packet (in this case, 30 days after DPS received it) to comply with 411.177(b) for a total possible of 90 days.

[Kalrog]

It is NOT a 60 day legal requirement;
...
That could take up to a max of 60 total days. Then DPS has 60 days after the investigator received the packet (in this case, 30 days after DPS received it) to comply with 411.177(b) for a total possible of 90 days.

I remember your explanation from a while back and I agree with you actually. Call it a slip here. But even with that... 120 > 90.

[cbr600]

09-22: Took the CHL class at Top Gun
09-24: Mailed my completed application to DPS
10-04: DPS deposited my check for the application fee
10-22: Received a letter from DPS requesting a color copy of my NC DL
10-23: Mailed color copy of DL (and NC CHP) to DPS via certified mail
10-27: DPS received my letter (per USPS Track & Confirm)
11-15: Received CHL


The timing was great. I leave tomorrow on my cross-country drive to Houston, and start my new job Monday. Perhaps it's kismet - my Kramer #3 arrived today as well.

I love it when a plan comes together.