Italian Chiappa Guns with RFID chips

[sjfcontrol]

Simple solution, DON"T BUY CHIAPPA GUNS! or any other brand that has that technology.

...nailed it!!!

And supposing that ALL other firearms manufacturers eventually follows suit -- would your "nailed" solution remain the same?

Boycotts are very difficult to enforce, and they become increasingly more difficult as additional sections of the industry are added to the boycott list. I was simply suggesting a way to nullify the effort.

I'd point out that the antis would be quite happy if everybody decided to simply not-buy from any firearm manufacturer. And if that manufacturer eventually goes out of business, all the better -- and on to the next manufacturer...

[JJVP]

Ok, so if you have one of these firearms, just wrap it up in foil, that should take care of it...

But beware, what they didn't tell you is that the chip also records conversations, keeps a count of rounds fired, records your fingerprints and knows if you're left or right handed. It also keeps an inventory of other firearms in the safe when you store it.

You forgot the GPS locator, so they know where you and the gun are at all times.

[RoyGBiv]

Who gets to load/update the chip data when I buy/sell this gun?
If the owner can take it in and have the personal data updated (or removed) on the chip, then, the data itself is not much more dreadful than a serial number. No?

The serious problem I would have with an RFID-marked-gun is that it can be easily scanned just by walking past a scanner. That's the deal killer for me. Not the data itself, assuming I can control the personal data placed on the chip.

[MoJo]

Simple solution, DON"T BUY CHIAPPA GUNS! or any other brand that has that technology.

...nailed it!!!

And supposing that ALL other firearms manufacturers eventually follows suit -- would your "nailed" solution remain the same?

Boycotts are very difficult to enforce, and they become increasingly more difficult as additional sections of the industry are added to the boycott list. I was simply suggesting a way to nullify the effort.

I'd point out that the antis would be quite happy if everybody decided to simply not-buy from any firearm manufacturer. And if that manufacturer eventually goes out of business, all the better -- and on to the next manufacturer...

If something like this is nipped in the bud - - - by driving one manufacturer out of business - - - the rest of them will follow along with what the consumers want. Look at the turnaround S&W made after their little faux pas. People quit buying S&W guns, the British holding company decided to dump S&W, now they are going strong again.

Gun control isn't about guns it's about control. Yes My "nailed" solution would remain the same. I don't like the creeping invasion of my privacy by government or business.

[sjfcontrol]

Good luck with that. I don't necessarily see the elimination of a gun manufacturer as a positive thing for the gun industry. I don't think the antis would either.

What was the issue with S&W? Link?

[PappaGun]

Who gets to load/update the chip data when I buy/sell this gun?
If the owner can take it in and have the personal data updated (or removed) on the chip, then, the data itself is not much more dreadful than a serial number. No?

The serious problem I would have with an RFID-marked-gun is that it can be easily scanned just by walking past a scanner. That's the deal killer for me. Not the data itself, assuming I can control the personal data placed on the chip.

But...

What they TELL you it records and what it actually records are always two different things. Even if by "mistake" as they always say later.

[MasterOfNone]

It's not about driving them out of business. Did Coca-Cola go out of business when people didn't like New Coke? No, they simply went back to what was popular. If Chiappa realizes that their sales drop when they introduce the chip, surely they would stop before going bankrupt. (Of course, they could always beg for government subsidies to fund the chip work.)

So I guess the Rhino should actually be named "RINO" - conservative in appearance but liberal on the inside.

[Thomas]

Your personal data could probably be over written with a homebrew solution (RFID writer).

[RoyGBiv]

Who gets to load/update the chip data when I buy/sell this gun?
If the owner can take it in and have the personal data updated (or removed) on the chip, then, the data itself is not much more dreadful than a serial number. No?

The serious problem I would have with an RFID-marked-gun is that it can be easily scanned just by walking past a scanner. That's the deal killer for me. Not the data itself, assuming I can control the personal data placed on the chip.

But...

What they TELL you it records and what it actually records are always two different things. Even if by "mistake" as they always say later.

RFID is not smart... It cannot record anything in real time. You can "put" data on it using the proper programming tool, and that data can be read back by the proper scanner, but an RFID is otherwise strictly a broadcast device.

Many of you have an RFID "chip" (it's not really a chip, "tag" is more accurate.) in your credit cards. You wave the card in front of a scanner and you don't need to swipe the magnetic strip through the card reader... The RFID has proven problematic in this application, because a person with a portable scanner can walk past your wallet, read the RFID off your card and steal your card info. They would need to get close to you, but, it's not difficult. This problem has spawned numerous RFID-safe wallets and card holders. <Example>

Same deal for an RFID chip in a gun... You encode whatever data you want on the RFID and when the chip passes a scanner the chip is "energized" (activated) and the data on the chip is passed to the scanner. Nothing more sinister than that (currently).

If you are carrying an RFID encoded gun, and you walk through the scanner at the supermarket, you'll probably set off the alarm. In a similar fashion, it would be easy to set up an RFID scanner in any doorway and read the tag on your gun as you pass through, without your knowledge. This would be the unacceptable part, IMO.

[RoyGBiv]

It's not about driving them out of business. Did Coca-Cola go out of business when people didn't like New Coke? No, they simply went back to what was popular. If Chiappa realizes that their sales drop when they introduce the chip, surely they would stop before going bankrupt. (Of course, they could always beg for government subsidies to fund the chip work.)

So I guess the Rhino should actually be named "RINO" - conservative in appearance but liberal on the inside.

The problem will be...
1. Governments will mandate this technology because it will make everyone safer (wink, wink)
2. It will be made illegal to deactivate the RFID tag.
3. We will all sing kumbaya, because the world will be a safer place
4. Only criminals will have truly hidden guns.
5. The 2nd Amendment will not have been violated, because there is nothing that says guns cannot be tracked/encoded/etc.

[Thomas]

2. It will be made illegal to deactivate the RFID tag.

Would that be an enforceable law though? I guess if a police officer disarms you and/or waves you with a RFID reading device. Though of course in Texas, the police officer wouldn't know if the gun was being borrowed or not (for example if the gun you were carrying had someone else's info in it).

[speedsix]

Simple solution, DON"T BUY CHIAPPA GUNS! or any other brand that has that technology.

...nailed it!!!

And supposing that ALL other firearms manufacturers eventually follows suit -- would your "nailed" solution remain the same?

Boycotts are very difficult to enforce, and they become increasingly more difficult as additional sections of the industry are added to the boycott list. I was simply suggesting a way to nullify the effort.

I'd point out that the antis would be quite happy if everybody decided to simply not-buy from any firearm manufacturer. And if that manufacturer eventually goes out of business, all the better -- and on to the next manufacturer...

...we were talking about a specific manuf., but to answer your spin question...that's right...I wouldn't buy any gun with this chip in it...just like I won't buy any gun with a lock on the side or the hammer...there are enough folks like you that would buy them just because they offered them to keep them strong and healthy...you posted one way to "nullify the effort"...I just agreed with another, simpler method...seems to have rocked your boat...OH WELL...the sun will still set tonight....

...back in another day, I took heat from Browning purists for dropping the mag. disconnect out of my Hi-Power....same answer...what works for you...prolly won't work for me...be happy and don't get your back up about it...different ain't wrong...

[AEA]

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Has Beretta signed on yet? It seems right up their alley. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47067" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RPB]

Your personal data could probably be over written with a homebrew solution (RFID writer).

Yeah, that's easier than swapping the gun's chip with the dog's and remembering to call the gun
"Spot" and call the dog "Ruger" (Though that sounds fun too, trace my dog ...) and the whole BATFE, FBI and Police would help find your dog instead of just the animal control guy.)

I'd have to read up on whether jumper cables and a battery applying Amps like an arc welder or EMP would affect them, but an RFID writer would certainly do it.

Think of the fun one could have writing whatever they want on the chips ...