Italian Chiappa Guns with RFID chips

[JJVP]

Italian gun maker Chiappa is adding RFID chips to all their firearms. Record manufacture info as well as owner information.

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[PBratton]

"The information on the microchip can be rewritten several times" and "the chip is very difficult to remove ... accompanies the weapon forever providing all the information gathered regarding its production ... and the registration of the gun and the owners details.". Scary, very scary!

You know, unless the FFL is encoding the chips when he sells it to you, there is NO WAY that the buyer's info will end up on the chip.

It is simply a way to track the product through production and inventory. Take the tin hats off.

[AEA]

All that aside, if they put it in there I am sure I can take it out (not that I am going to buy one).

I'll stick with my Henry.

[OldCannon]

Take the tin hats off.

Well, I'm going to disagree with this accusation. I think the elemental questions is: Why has the manufacturer placed an RFID chip in a gun such that the consumer cannot remove it? What purpose does this serve? Unless the manufacturer has some clear answers to these questions, the presence of a permanent remote-identification device should cause concern, if not raise a lot of questions. One could take an extreme "tin hat" approach, but I think the core issue here is that a permanently-embedded RFID chip serves no purpose to the firearm owner, so who does it serve?

[The Annoyed Man]

"The information on the microchip can be rewritten several times" and "the chip is very difficult to remove ... accompanies the weapon forever providing all the information gathered regarding its production ... and the registration of the gun and the owners details.". Scary, very scary!

You know, unless the FFL is encoding the chips when he sells it to you, there is NO WAY that the buyer's info will end up on the chip.

It is simply a way to track the product through production and inventory. Take the tin hats off.

Well, uhhhh, there is this:



Maybe today it won't be done, but don't count on that in 4-5 years from now. The technology to implement it already exists. It's only a matter of political will. Even if the US does not ratify the UN gun control treaty, you can bet that the euro-weenies will be using this technology in guns sold overseas and providing the data to the UN.

[sjfcontrol]

Don't know where they're embedding it, but if the part is plastic, a few seconds in the microwave will permanently "erase" the chip.
(And by "erase" I mean burn it out.)

[PappaGun]

Don't know where they're embedding it, but if the part is plastic, a few seconds in the microwave will permanently "erase" the chip.
(And by "erase" I mean burn it out.)

That was my thought. I hadn't thought of the microwave though. I like it.

Or a strong magnetic field or some time in an oven?

Chips hate heat. Not too hot though!

[sjfcontrol]

Don't know where they're embedding it, but if the part is plastic, a few seconds in the microwave will permanently "erase" the chip.
(And by "erase" I mean burn it out.)

That was my thought. I hadn't thought of the microwave though. I like it.

Or a strong magnetic field or some time in an oven?

Chips hate heat. Not too hot though!

I doubt a magnetic field would do much at all. And, it's not the heat. It's the microwave radiation. A low-power version is how the RFID chip is powered by the reader. Putting it in a microwave oven is like plugging your DC-powered iPod directly into a 240V outlet (not the charger, the unit itself). ZZZAAAPPP!!!

Essentially, that's how they "deactivate" the anti-theft devices at the cash register. They just apply a field strong enough to burn out and destroy the RFID chip.

[PappaGun]

What would work if it was in a metal part?

Though that seems unlikely as wouldn't the metal shield the chip from working properly?

[sjfcontrol]

What would work if it was in a metal part?

Though that seems unlikely as wouldn't the metal shield the chip from working properly?

That was my thought, too. However, if mounted in some manner where it could be read, it presumably could also be zapped.
The problem is more that putting metal in a microwave can be somewhat destructive to the microwave. So you might want to use the microwave at work instead of the one in your kitchen.

[AEA]

Just think......as more and more companies start doing this, going to make our current guns go up in value 100%.

I knew my gun investment was better than gold!

[PBratton]

Ok, so if you have one of these firearms, just wrap it up in foil, that should take care of it...

But beware, what they didn't tell you is that the chip also records conversations, keeps a count of rounds fired, records your fingerprints and knows if you're left or right handed. It also keeps an inventory of other firearms in the safe when you store it.

[MoJo]

Simple solution, DON"T BUY CHIAPPA GUNS! or any other brand that has that technology.

[jimlongley]

Don't know where they're embedding it, but if the part is plastic, a few seconds in the microwave will permanently "erase" the chip.
(And by "erase" I mean burn it out.)

Can you say "Van de Graff Generator"? No disassembly required and I have never known a static discharge to damage any of the functional parts of a gun.

Of course, a better solution is a total boycott of their products. This is a manufacturer pandering to the anti-gun nuts in the worst possible way, and the last one to do that got taught a lesson.

[speedsix]

Simple solution, DON"T BUY CHIAPPA GUNS! or any other brand that has that technology.

...nailed it!!!