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I'm not going to decide what happened in this case until the facts are stated more reliably.

As to people with CHLs going bad, it's going to happen. Cops, clergymen, military personnel, and people in every other supposedly trusted profession occasionally do. People lose their temper and run over other people with vehicles all the time (everyone remember Clara Harris?) There's no way foolproof way to prevent it in a free society.

- Jim

Jim I agree with you. I just hate to see this happen.

I hope the NACCP and Houston Black civil rights advocates will not use this as some kind of racial issue between blacks and asians. Just like what happened years back with Joe in Pasadena as he confront the two black guys.

I also just read it took place at 2 a.m. I thought it had happened after Church Sunday afternoon. It will be interesting to see if alcohol was involved.

Wow, this is weird it happened early morning . 2 AM is pitch dark! I wouldnt confront someone in that condition . I d go home pronto .

I'm not going to decide what happened in this case until the facts are stated more reliably.

I think that is the prudent thing to do. We don't know what we don't know.

And texas1234, I agree with you as well. Maybe not so much as more training, but perhaps more focusing on the de-escalation of a potentially deadly force encounter in the CHL class. I believe a LOT more emphasis should be given to that portion of the class.

It appears that de-escalation was not the primary motivating factor in this sad incident.

I'm not saying that training is a bad idea, but you I don't think you can train good judgment in a classroom. People need to learn through experience that escalating a situation because they are scared or have a bruised ego is not worth it.

I was lucky to learn it early and with noting more serious than a few punches being thrown. Maybe that's true of a lot of people on this forum.

- Jim

Grocery shopping at 2 a.m. is for college students! I can't remember the last time I did it. Then what kind of church group practices until 1:30ish? Somewhere, some of these facts are messed up. And what kind of woman can remain that calm on 911 with her fiance shot?!? I couldn't even keep that composed if a coworker was lying on the pavement bleeding from their jugular. At this point, I will have to agree wholly, the details have been distorted by the media or by the parties involved, and it's too soon to infer any details into the situation. (At this point, the truth may never be known, since the only parties involved that are alive are Nguyen and the fiance, who are biased parties).

I thought the fiance was the girl of the guy who got shot. I think WIN was by himself.

texas1234 wrote:I thought the fiance was the girl of the guy who got shot. I think WIN was by himself.

Those are the details provided. But my point it, even if I was assisting a coworker (who I clearly wouldn't care as much for) I would be a little more panic-ed with a few minutes of life left at best. She seemed way to calm to have her fiance dying in her hands. Way too calm...

PvilleStang wrote:She seemed way to calm to have her fiance dying in her hands. Way too calm...

Some people react that way in emergencies.

It's also possible that the guy was not obviously dying. Fatal gunshot wounds don't always cause a lot of bleeding. The police have found bodies that no one realized had been shot until the medical examiner went to work.

- Jim

Just kind of an observation from what I've read in this story:
Big urban city like Houston. Neighborhoods are crammed with people. Nobody knows anybody. Everybody's on the move. It's all about being in a hurry to get nowhere. Nobody has anything in common. No common culture, no common interest, oftentimes no common language, no common worldview, no common relationships. Nothing in common except the same zip code and coincidentally the same street with almost the same address.

For years I've worked outside of Houston in real Texas towns. Where everybody knows everybody in the country. Everybody's knows each other in some way or another. Everybody has something in common. Common food, common language, common culture, common background, common courtesy, hospitality, common kindness. Even between say blacks and whites. Different cultures, but here is still enough in common in community and everyday life to relate to each other.
I just moved to rural Louisiana....my closest neighbor is 1000 feet away well though the woods. The rest are even farther. Everybody is spread out in the country. But, in the past year that I've been living here, I am closer to my neighbors here than ever was with any neighbors living in Houston that were 50 ft apart. I know who my neighbors are or if I don't I can fairly well spot them on sight or realize who they are through somebody else. If one of them walked down the road or pulled up behind me in my driveway, I would have some idea who they were and likely both of us would have the sense of community if not common courtesy to talk whatever about the problem was. In fact, if either of us had a traffic altercation in this town and did something rude...it would bring embarrassment and shame.
In a city, if somebody does something rude in traffic, they aren't people but rather they are just the enemy, an abstraction or if you do something to them, it's because you don't feel like you have to be nice because you'll never see that warm body in that one vehicle among millions again (driving by at 70mph on the freeway. In a small town, that person in the other car is a neighbor or a friend. And you deal with them as you should any human being.

Bottom line: This idea that multiculturalism, industrialism, modernity, progress, etc. isn't all it's cracked up to be. You lose sight of the things that are ultimately important.

PvilleStang wrote:

texas1234 wrote:I thought the fiance was the girl of the guy who got shot. I think WIN was by himself.

Those are the details provided. But my point it, even if I was assisting a coworker (who I clearly wouldn't care as much for) I would be a little more panic-ed with a few minutes of life left at best. She seemed way to calm to have her fiance dying in her hands. Way too calm...

Do you have a suspicion or theory that would otherwise explain the fiancé's lack of emotion?

Wild Bill:
That recurring favorite - the Love Triangle?

"...and as the man reaches for his trousers,
he shoots him full of .38 holes."
Lynrd Skynrd, Saturday Night Special

SIA

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:That recurring favorite - the Love Triangle?

Do you mean the eternal triangle like in Tom Dooley?