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BobCat wrote:For "at home" - not to carry - a Marlin lever gun in .357 Mag. 10 rounds, intuitive to operate, longer sight radius than a handgun, innocent-looking (to media) if she ever needs to use it. Parked in the corner, full mag tube, hammer down on an empty chamber, a short movement of the lever makes it ready-to-go. Followup shots as fast as semi-auto, with practice.

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With the red-dot the sighting is so intuitive anyone can hit centermass with it.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

speedsix wrote:...they can't take it too seriously...MANY serial killers began by cruelty to animals and escalated from there...good to see you guiding her well...

True, but most animal killers don't become serial killers. While I understand one being upset about an animal getting mutilated, how owning a gun would have changed that is way beyond me. <SNIP>

Is there a source for this? There is documented proof that most serial killers started out this way, but I haven't heard the alternative position.

Would owning a gun have changed the outcome? Not likely. But it serves as a warning, whether a loose dog or a serial killer in training, they have been warned and NOT to start arming and carrying would be naive and foolish. I live in a quiet semi-rural area and don't set foot outside without carrying and I have NEVER had a cat mutilation to warn me, just a fair amount of life.

Dragonfighter brings up an interesting question. Is there some back story about daughter having a disagreement or run-in with someone who might be sending a threatening message?

Upon first reading, I simply thought the cat had run afoul of some viscous madman. If, however, there is reason to believe that her cat was specifically targeted by someone to "send a message", the situation is quite different and more immediate.

A police report might be a good starting point. Being alert and well-armed is never a bad idea, but it goes from "good idea" to "mandatory" if there is a specific threat.

Regards,
Andrew

Dragonfighter wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

speedsix wrote:...they can't take it too seriously...MANY serial killers began by cruelty to animals and escalated from there...good to see you guiding her well...

True, but most animal killers don't become serial killers. While I understand one being upset about an animal getting mutilated, how owning a gun would have changed that is way beyond me. <SNIP>

Is there a source for this? There is documented proof that most serial killers started out this way, but I haven't heard the alternative position.

Do you really believe that most people who indulge in cruelty to animals are going to become serial killers??? That is just nuts!!!! Serial killers have also been shown to have a history of childhood abuse or negect. I suppose that many suffering from childhood abuse are going to become a serial killer! We would have serial killers running around all over the place.

A healthy dose of common sense never hurt anyone. There is NO documented proof that most people who indulge in animal cruelty are going to become serial killers.

BobCat wrote:Dragonfighter brings up an interesting question. Is there some back story about daughter having a disagreement or run-in with someone who might be sending a threatening message?

Upon first reading, I simply thought the cat had run afoul of some viscous madman. If, however, there is reason to believe that her cat was specifically targeted by someone to "send a message", the situation is quite different and more immediate.

A police report might be a good starting point. Being alert and well-armed is never a bad idea, but it goes from "good idea" to "mandatory" if there is a specific threat.

Regards,
Andrew

I was wondering about that too, but was afraid to bring it up.

Dragonfighter wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

speedsix wrote:...they can't take it too seriously...MANY serial killers began by cruelty to animals and escalated from there...good to see you guiding her well...

True, but most animal killers don't become serial killers. While I understand one being upset about an animal getting mutilated, how owning a gun would have changed that is way beyond me. <SNIP>

Is there a source for this? There is documented proof that most serial killers started out this way, but I haven't heard the alternative position.

look at it this way, most serial killers may began with animals, but all people who are cruel to animals dont become serial killers,

thats like saying most premeditated murders are commited by people with weapons, so all people with weapons must be planning to murder some one?

its fair to point out that many serial killers start with animals, but not fair to say they have to be a serial killer

03Lightningrocks wrote:

BobCat wrote:Dragonfighter brings up an interesting question. Is there some back story about daughter having a disagreement or run-in with someone who might be sending a threatening message?

Upon first reading, I simply thought the cat had run afoul of some viscous madman. If, however, there is reason to believe that her cat was specifically targeted by someone to "send a message", the situation is quite different and more immediate.

A police report might be a good starting point. Being alert and well-armed is never a bad idea, but it goes from "good idea" to "mandatory" if there is a specific threat.

Regards,
Andrew

I was wondering about that too, but was afraid to bring it up.

Whether targeted or not, it is a sign that there is at least one very messed up person in the neighborhood. That's enough reason to go armed.

zero4o3 wrote:

Dragonfighter wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

speedsix wrote:...they can't take it too seriously...MANY serial killers began by cruelty to animals and escalated from there...good to see you guiding her well...

True, but most animal killers don't become serial killers. While I understand one being upset about an animal getting mutilated, how owning a gun would have changed that is way beyond me. <SNIP>

Is there a source for this? There is documented proof that most serial killers started out this way, but I haven't heard the alternative position.

look at it this way, most serial killers may began with animals, but all people who are cruel to animals don't become serial killers,

thats like saying most premeditated murders are committed by people with weapons, so all people with weapons must be planning to murder some one?

its fair to point out that many serial killers start with animals, but not fair to say they have to be a serial killer

That was what I was trying to point out but was getting pounded on for doing it. Maybe I held my lips wrong as I pointed it out.

Regardless, part of that perception may stem from a little brain washing and social conditioning by animal rights activist. If they can associate a serial killer with animal cruelty, they can point at anyone convicted of animal cruelty and label them a serial killer. It achieves more social stigma than animal abuse alone.
The government has been playing this game for years with everything from alcohol to marijuana. There was a time when they had everyone convinced marijuana would make a black man rape a white woman.

Most of us would love a few minutes alone with someone caught mutilating an animal, but that does not mean we think the person is going to start killing folks.

Not all animal abusers turn out to be serial killers. Nearly all serial killers were animal abusers first. Regardless, it's good she asked for advise and I hope they go through getting themselves trained and armed.

MoJo wrote:Not all animal abusers turn out to be serial killers. Nearly all serial killers were animal abusers first. Regardless, it's good she asked for advise and I hope they go through getting themselves trained and armed.

Sorry to take your thread off subject, and yes regardless of what caused the interest, hopefully they go through with it. never a bad reason to build the means to protect yourself responsibly

zero4o3 wrote:

MoJo wrote:Not all animal abusers turn out to be serial killers. Nearly all serial killers were animal abusers first. Regardless, it's good she asked for advise and I hope they go through getting themselves trained and armed.

Sorry to take your thread off subject, and yes regardless of what caused the interest, hopefully they go through with it. never a bad reason to build the means to protect yourself responsibly

Well CRUD!!! I posted that also. Again... I bet I was not holding my lips right when I posted it!!!