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The real issue with this isn't the treatment of the father....that is really incidental to the whole episode. The fundamental concept at work here is the objectification and subsequent denormalization, demonization, and delegitimization of guns. This is the same process that worked to eliminate most gun ownership in the UK --though it was no doubt easier there since the UK lacked the gun culture and attitudes about self-defense common in the US. The objective is to create an association between guns and extreme and unreasonable danger --in other words, to cultivate ignorance and fear of guns. The arrest of the father just serves to demonstrate how truly dangerous guns must be if those in authority must take such drastic measures. There is no question that the left is using the same techniques here and seeking the same outcomes. The public school system is grievously infected with the liberal cancer and using the same process of demonization --including the demonization of self-defense.

At this point they probably can't carry it to the same extreme here, even in the Socialist Republics like New Jersey and California --but the left seeks victory through incrementalism, so they will keep at it until they win or they're stopped. The first step to changing the trajectory the country is on is to purge the liberal cancer from the public schools. Unfortunately, I have no idea how that can be accomplished now that it is so thoroughly entrenched.

VMI77 wrote:The real issue with this isn't the treatment of the father....that is really incidental to the whole episode. The fundamental concept at work here is the objectification and subsequent denormalization, demonization, and delegitimization of guns. This is the same process that worked to eliminate most gun ownership in the UK --though it was no doubt easier there since the UK lacked the gun culture and attitudes about self-defense common in the US. The objective is to create an association between guns and extreme and unreasonable danger --in other words, to cultivate ignorance and fear of guns. The arrest of the father just serves to demonstrate how truly dangerous guns must be if those in authority must take such drastic measures. There is no question that the left is using the same techniques here and seeking the same outcomes. The public school system is grievously infected with the liberal cancer and using the same process of demonization --including the demonization of self-defense.

At this point they probably can't carry it to the same extreme here, even in the Socialist Republics like New Jersey and California --but the left seeks victory through incrementalism, so they will keep at it until they win or they're stopped. The first step to changing the trajectory the country is on is to purge the liberal cancer from the public schools. Unfortunately, I have no idea how that can be accomplished now that it is so thoroughly entrenched.

I'm not sure the trend can be reversed. If some some serious changes for the better aren't made soon, I fear that the whole system will eventually collapse upon itself. The leftists work toward their vision of "utopia" (which you and I know cannot exist) by first seeking to tear down the existing system. So, the only thing they are actually capable of doing is tearing down the existing system. The biggest problem for them, though it is also a problem for us, is that they (the true believer leftists) won't like what replaces the current system, and in fact they'll like it a lot less than the current system. I also fear that most of them are just too thickheaded to understand that.

Heartland Patriot wrote:I'm not sure the trend can be reversed. If some some serious changes for the better aren't made soon, I fear that the whole system will eventually collapse upon itself. The leftists work toward their vision of "utopia" (which you and I know cannot exist) by first seeking to tear down the existing system. So, the only thing they are actually capable of doing is tearing down the existing system. The biggest problem for them, though it is also a problem for us, is that they (the true believer leftists) won't like what replaces the current system, and in fact they'll like it a lot less than the current system. I also fear that most of them are just too thickheaded to understand that.

I'd say a collapse is a trend reversal. I agree that trend reversal via the current political system is highly unlikely --though some slowing of the trend may be possible. For significant change in my lifetime there will have to be a precipitating event like economic collapse, and the consequences of that will not be pretty. I think we just have to ride it down and do what we can to survive the crash. However, I think in all likelihood any system originating in such a catastrophe is likely to be worse than then existing system, not better. Those seeking power are going to continue to promise utopia because they know people want to believe in it, and false belief is a requirement for attaining authoritarian power (and the worse things get the bigger will be their promises).

VMI77 wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:I'm not sure the trend can be reversed. If some some serious changes for the better aren't made soon, I fear that the whole system will eventually collapse upon itself. The leftists work toward their vision of "utopia" (which you and I know cannot exist) by first seeking to tear down the existing system. So, the only thing they are actually capable of doing is tearing down the existing system. The biggest problem for them, though it is also a problem for us, is that they (the true believer leftists) won't like what replaces the current system, and in fact they'll like it a lot less than the current system. I also fear that most of them are just too thickheaded to understand that.

I'd say a collapse is a trend reversal. I agree that trend reversal via the current political system is highly unlikely --though some slowing of the trend may be possible. For significant change in my lifetime there will have to be a precipitating event like economic collapse, and the consequences of that will not be pretty. I think we just have to ride it down and do what we can to survive the crash. However, I think in all likelihood any system originating in such a catastrophe is likely to be worse than then existing system, not better. Those seeking power are going to continue to promise utopia because they know people want to believe in it, and false belief is a requirement for attaining authoritarian power (and the worse things get the bigger will be their promises).

System collapse...isn't that how the Bolsheviks took power in Russia and the Nazis in Germany? By promising to make things better? Two different outcomes, neither one of which was worth a darn...you and I know that, but as we both know, there are plenty of people who don't.

What I have to say on his issue isn't family friendly. Suffice it to say that I have the upmost contempt for those who called the cops.

My question is why in the world did he sign a statement allowing the search of his home. My guess is that had he not done that he could have at a least punished the department for their abuse of power with a lawsuit. Good heavens no sense whatsoever. Never ever sign your rights away.

I thought Canada was already on the path to turning their policies on guns around.

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AndyC wrote:

"We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”

"It's for the children". Right.

I am so sick of hearing, "...it's for the kids", in any context. Throw up!

n5wd wrote:

AEA wrote:I was told that it was the Law that the Teacher report these things and she would be in trouble if she didn't.

FWIW, that same law exists in Texas, today, and the report must be made to Child Protective Services - a report to your principal, or to the police, is not sufficient.

And yes, teachers ARE prosecuted for not following that law.

Where?

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https://www.oag.state.tx.us/victims/childabuse.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gigag04 wrote:

n5wd wrote:

AEA wrote:I was told that it was the Law that the Teacher report these things and she would be in trouble if she didn't.

FWIW, that same law exists in Texas, today, and the report must be made to Child Protective Services - a report to your principal, or to the police, is not sufficient.

And yes, teachers ARE prosecuted for not following that law.

Where?

Here's one case from Goliad: http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/news/20 ... /?counties

Cheryl Worley, 58, was arrested Nov. 23 on suspicion of felony abandoning or endangering a child and failure to timely report abuse, a Class A misdemeanor, according to previous reports.

This is not really analogous to the OP incident though. This wasn't a case of interpreting a drawing as possible abuse, or a second or third hand report, or a single suspicious incident.....the victim personally told the counselor about being abused, and from what a knowledgeable coworker told me, the abuse took place over a period of months.