Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
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Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
This from another site I visit......
Has to do with the Canadian Firearms Registration Act & Family and Children’s Services authority.
Just the thought of a UN-registerd gun in the home can lead to this..........
In my opinion, this is what Obama wants us to get to........
KITCHENER — A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s’ school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.
“I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, said Thursday.
“I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”
The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.
“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.
Waterloo Regional Police Insp. Kevin Thaler said there was a complaint from Forest Hills public school that “a firearm was in a residence and children had access to it. We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”
Their concern wasn’t based on the drawing alone, he said.
Neaveh, the child who made the drawing, also made comments about it that raised more flags.
Sansone thinks police overreacted. He didn’t find out until hours after his arrest what had actually sparked the incident.
He said he went to the school Wednesday afternoon to pick up his three children. He was summoned to the principal’s office where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.
He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in the back of a cruiser.
At the same time, other police officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for his return.
They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.
“Nobody was given any explanation,” said his wife, Stephanie Squires. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested.
“He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’ ”
At the police station, Sansone talked to a lawyer who said only that he was being charged with possession of a firearm, Sansone said.
He kept asking questions. He was given a blanket and told he would appear before a judge in the morning to post bail.
“I was getting pretty scared at that point,” Sansone said. “It seemed like I was actually being charged at this point.”
He was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.
Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.
The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”
“To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone said. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy.
“How do you recognize a criminal from a father?’’
He said he thought he had good relations with the principal who offered him a job last year counseling students at the school.
“We’re educated,’’ he said. “I’m a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counselor. I go into schools to try to make a difference.’’
After he was released, Sansone was asked to sign a paper authorizing a search of his home. He signed, even though he didn’t have to, he said.
“I just think they blew it out of proportion,’’ Squires said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.
“The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.’’
Scott, of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was obligated to investigate after getting a report from the school.
“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”
If there’s a potential crime that’s been committed, the agency must call in police, she said
“In the end, it may not be substantiated. There may be a reasonable explanation for why the child drew that gun. But we have to go on what gets presented to us.
“I’m sure this was a very stressful thing for the family,” she acknowledged.
The school principal, Steve Zack, said a staff member called child welfare officials because the law requires them to report anything involving the safety or neglect of a child.
The agency chose to involve police, he said.
“Police chose to arrest Jessie here. Nobody wants something like this to happen at any time, especially not at school. But that’s out of my hands.”
Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But he’s put all that behind him. He never had any firearms-related charges.
As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.
“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,” he said.
Has to do with the Canadian Firearms Registration Act & Family and Children’s Services authority.
Just the thought of a UN-registerd gun in the home can lead to this..........
In my opinion, this is what Obama wants us to get to........
KITCHENER — A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s’ school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.
“I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, said Thursday.
“I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”
The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.
“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.
Waterloo Regional Police Insp. Kevin Thaler said there was a complaint from Forest Hills public school that “a firearm was in a residence and children had access to it. We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”
Their concern wasn’t based on the drawing alone, he said.
Neaveh, the child who made the drawing, also made comments about it that raised more flags.
Sansone thinks police overreacted. He didn’t find out until hours after his arrest what had actually sparked the incident.
He said he went to the school Wednesday afternoon to pick up his three children. He was summoned to the principal’s office where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.
He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in the back of a cruiser.
At the same time, other police officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for his return.
They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.
“Nobody was given any explanation,” said his wife, Stephanie Squires. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested.
“He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’ ”
At the police station, Sansone talked to a lawyer who said only that he was being charged with possession of a firearm, Sansone said.
He kept asking questions. He was given a blanket and told he would appear before a judge in the morning to post bail.
“I was getting pretty scared at that point,” Sansone said. “It seemed like I was actually being charged at this point.”
He was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.
Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.
The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”
“To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone said. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy.
“How do you recognize a criminal from a father?’’
He said he thought he had good relations with the principal who offered him a job last year counseling students at the school.
“We’re educated,’’ he said. “I’m a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counselor. I go into schools to try to make a difference.’’
After he was released, Sansone was asked to sign a paper authorizing a search of his home. He signed, even though he didn’t have to, he said.
“I just think they blew it out of proportion,’’ Squires said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.
“The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.’’
Scott, of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was obligated to investigate after getting a report from the school.
“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”
If there’s a potential crime that’s been committed, the agency must call in police, she said
“In the end, it may not be substantiated. There may be a reasonable explanation for why the child drew that gun. But we have to go on what gets presented to us.
“I’m sure this was a very stressful thing for the family,” she acknowledged.
The school principal, Steve Zack, said a staff member called child welfare officials because the law requires them to report anything involving the safety or neglect of a child.
The agency chose to involve police, he said.
“Police chose to arrest Jessie here. Nobody wants something like this to happen at any time, especially not at school. But that’s out of my hands.”
Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But he’s put all that behind him. He never had any firearms-related charges.
As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.
“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,” he said.
Alan - ANYTHING I write is MY OPINION only.
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
...but we still have folks in this country who won't get out and vote to preserve our freedom...
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
Change one or two words, and the article is about an incident in Nazi Germany.
And the anti-rights nuts tell us that registration is harmless.
And the anti-rights nuts tell us that registration is harmless.
Real gun control, carrying 24/7/365
Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
I guess they never found out why the girl drew the picture?
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
The little girl drew a picture of her daddy being a hero (in her eyes). And then they treat him like that, over nothing...its one of the biggest piles of figurative manure I've had the misfortune to smell the stink of in a while. I'm glad it wasn't in this country,but I can see this happening in New York or Massachusetts, and I KNOW the anti-firearms, anti-freedom crowd wants to make the whole nation like that...and to think, just as Canadians are finally getting out from under that useless long-gun registry, too. 

Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
Yes, the Long Gun Registry has finally been admitted to be a very costly failure.
You can own Handguns in Canada, providing you jump thru Many, MANY hoops and receive a "Permit". There is no Carry other than to/from your "Gun Club" (range).
The Police probably didn't even check to see if the guy had a Handgun "Permit" before they tossed his house!
This has actually gotten easier in the last few years.......
Before you could own the Handgun but not have it in your possession....... It would be stored at your "Gun Club" for your use.
You can own Handguns in Canada, providing you jump thru Many, MANY hoops and receive a "Permit". There is no Carry other than to/from your "Gun Club" (range).
The Police probably didn't even check to see if the guy had a Handgun "Permit" before they tossed his house!
This has actually gotten easier in the last few years.......
Before you could own the Handgun but not have it in your possession....... It would be stored at your "Gun Club" for your use.
Alan - ANYTHING I write is MY OPINION only.
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
Children have imagination. Perhaps it was daddy protecting her from the monsters in her dreams. Anyone can be in danger if they must answer for the imaginations of very young children.
Still, I recognize the police desire to ensure safety for the family. While rare, sometimes fathers do evil things.
Still, I recognize the police desire to ensure safety for the family. While rare, sometimes fathers do evil things.
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NOT Gun related but another example of "Overreach" of Govt.
I'll tell you a similar story about me when I lived in Canada for 13years.
My Son was around 5 years old and we always liked to fool around on the carpet. Not really rough housing, but generally just playing. Nothing rough at all, a bit of pushing, shoving, grabbing, holding....etc......
We were in the living room doing this one time and somehow when we were playing around my Son banged into the bottom of the brick fireplace with his arm. It put a pretty good scratch on him. I cleaned him up and we thought nothing more about it.
About 4 days later I receive a visit from Family and Children’s Services! A nice lady was at my door telling me that she is there to ensure the protection of my Son who apparently is being abused at home!
After going all thru it with her, she told me that my Son's Teacher saw the mark on his arm and ask him what happened and he replied "Daddy did it". So she contacted them to investigate.
Now, I can understand the need to protect the children when there is evidence that they are being hurt/abused. But don't you think a sensible person should be able to determine the difference of a scratch on the arm (with no other physical marks) with physical abuse?
I was told that it was the Law that the Teacher report these things and she would be in trouble if she didn't.
Anyway, after being "Investigated" and Family and Friends contacted for interviews, I was found to be in the "CLEAR".
My Son is now 26 years old and a Constable (Policeman) in the Provincial Police!
My Son was around 5 years old and we always liked to fool around on the carpet. Not really rough housing, but generally just playing. Nothing rough at all, a bit of pushing, shoving, grabbing, holding....etc......
We were in the living room doing this one time and somehow when we were playing around my Son banged into the bottom of the brick fireplace with his arm. It put a pretty good scratch on him. I cleaned him up and we thought nothing more about it.
About 4 days later I receive a visit from Family and Children’s Services! A nice lady was at my door telling me that she is there to ensure the protection of my Son who apparently is being abused at home!
After going all thru it with her, she told me that my Son's Teacher saw the mark on his arm and ask him what happened and he replied "Daddy did it". So she contacted them to investigate.
Now, I can understand the need to protect the children when there is evidence that they are being hurt/abused. But don't you think a sensible person should be able to determine the difference of a scratch on the arm (with no other physical marks) with physical abuse?

I was told that it was the Law that the Teacher report these things and she would be in trouble if she didn't.
Anyway, after being "Investigated" and Family and Friends contacted for interviews, I was found to be in the "CLEAR".
My Son is now 26 years old and a Constable (Policeman) in the Provincial Police!
Alan - ANYTHING I write is MY OPINION only.
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
The rare occurrences are why erring on the side of caution is authorities watchword:
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
...we need to gently but persistantly warn our wimmenfolk to be alert to any strange attentions or wierd comments...there are more and more sick minds out there...nothing is to be taken for granted...as I read stories like the above, I think "Why didn't someone pick up on this and DO something...as a nation, we are so reluctant to say "this is wrong" or "you're out of line"...and the helpless pay the price of our lack of vigilance...
Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
If they arrested parents based on what I drew when I was little....
Is this where we're going, "thought crime"?
Is this where we're going, "thought crime"?
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Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
...don't know how old you are, but when I was young, we played little but cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians...sticks were guns and everything from modeling clay to pictures were, too..."showdowns" were common on the playground or at recess in the classroom and all we heard was "not so loud, please"
...rifles and shotguns were brought to school uncased and stored in common coatlockers at the rear of the classroom till after school, when kids walked to a friends house with them, or boarded another school bus to a friends house to hunt...they didn't even check them to see if they were unloaded...they KNEW we'd been trained at home...sounds like another world, doesn't it?!!! I believe "Good Old Days" applies here...
...now, kids get sent home and counseling if they chew a piece of bread into a "gun" and say "bang" with it...
...rifles and shotguns were brought to school uncased and stored in common coatlockers at the rear of the classroom till after school, when kids walked to a friends house with them, or boarded another school bus to a friends house to hunt...they didn't even check them to see if they were unloaded...they KNEW we'd been trained at home...sounds like another world, doesn't it?!!! I believe "Good Old Days" applies here...
...now, kids get sent home and counseling if they chew a piece of bread into a "gun" and say "bang" with it...
Re: Dad arrested & more because of Daughter's Drawing....
I wonder if she drew a picture of ET, would they search the house for illegal aliens?TLE2 wrote:If they arrested parents based on what I drew when I was little....
Is this where we're going, "thought crime"?

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