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VMI77 wrote:

jimlongley wrote:BTW, having actually read the new law, I find myself wondering what a "Muzzle Break" is. Has anyone here ever broken their muzzle? Is it some magical way of doing something to the muzzle in order to render it instantaneously more lethal. I know there is a sound alike word, but since legislatures know what they are talking about, I have to wonder what it is that they ARE talking about.

Pointing it out in my next letter to Andy, just for grins and giggles. No doubt he will use his executive power to amend the law.

Many decades ago NY State was on the verge of outlawing a cartoon character that had a name similar to some mythical Ninja implement, I still think it would have been neat to see what happened if the law passed.

They're probably referring to a device that directs gases from the muzzle to counter the rise of the barrel from recoil. So, effectively, the law prohibits someone from shooting more accurately....they apparently want more bystanders to take a few rounds.

It's the NYPD way.

Even though it's not us, this is still a sad day for the once popular idea of American Freedom. The last time that I can recall such a low point was during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. Back then we were restored by Ronald Reagan. It seems like even he would have an uphill battle in today's climate.

Someone was probably perusing pictures of ugly-guns and decided that that thingie looked evil.

"what is this called"?

"a muzzle-break" (misspell intentional)

"lets ban that too"

TexasCajun wrote:Back then we were restored by Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan?

You mean the governor who signed into law the beginning of California's gun control madness by effectively outlawing the carrying of firearms except by the rich and powerful (and their minions, of course), stating at the time that, to paraphrase, "No one needs to carry a firearm in public."?

Are you talking about the man who took that ridiculous action because some citizens had figured out what the 2nd Amendment meant and were exercising their rights under it to reduce the wholesale oppression and abuse of people of color by a state whose governments and law enforcement officials almost universally abused their authority until the Black Panthers began open-carrying, en masse?

Are you talking about the governor who acquiesced to the naked racism that controlled the legislative process at the time and produced that pre-GCA68 abomination that paved the way for the entire country to go stupid on the issue?

Is that the Ronald Reagan you're talking about?

This is a gun-centric forum, so let's keep some historical context in mind, here. Sure, Ronald Reagan was The Great Communicator and he could begin a speech to an NRA audience, famously, with "Greetings, fellow members." He was an actor and that was theater. None of that will ever erase the harm he did to the causes of gun rights, civil rights, and cleaning up institutional corruption and racism in California while he was Governor.

By signing the Mulford Act in 1967, Ronald Reagan laid the foundation for the uniquely insane world in which California gun owners are now stuck. He set an example that granted momentum to similar idiocy being pushed at the national level that became the GCA68. During his presidency, he signed the 1986 ban on new full-auto production while claiming he was helping us because it was a part of the FOPA. After his presidency, he supported the Brady Bill.

I don't see how anyone who loves the 2nd could ever forget how badly he hurt us, forgive him, or think kindly of his legacy.

benenglishtx wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:Back then we were restored by Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan?

You mean the governor who signed into law the beginning of California's gun control madness by effectively outlawing the carrying of firearms except by the rich and powerful (and their minions, of course), stating at the time that, to paraphrase, "No one needs to carry a firearm in public."?

Are you talking about the man who took that ridiculous action because some citizens had figured out what the 2nd Amendment meant and were exercising their rights under it to reduce the wholesale oppression and abuse of people of color by a state whose governments and law enforcement officials almost universally abused their authority until the Black Panthers began open-carrying, en masse?

Are you talking about the governor who acquiesced to the naked racism that controlled the legislative process at the time and produced that pre-GCA68 abomination that paved the way for the entire country to go stupid on the issue?

Is that the Ronald Reagan you're talking about?

This is a gun-centric forum, so let's keep some historical context in mind, here. Sure, Ronald Reagan was The Great Communicator and he could begin a speech to an NRA audience, famously, with "Greetings, fellow members." He was an actor and that was theater. None of that will ever erase the harm he did to the causes of gun rights, civil rights, and cleaning up institutional corruption and racism in California while he was Governor.

By signing the Mulford Act in 1967, Ronald Reagan laid the foundation for the uniquely insane world in which California gun owners are now stuck. He set an example that granted momentum to similar idiocy being pushed at the national level that became the GCA68. During his presidency, he signed the 1986 ban on new full-auto production while claiming he was helping us because it was a part of the FOPA. After his presidency, he supported the Brady Bill.

I don't see how anyone who loves the 2nd could ever forget how badly he hurt us, forgive him, or think kindly of his legacy.

Wow, I have never seen Reagan lambasted in quite that manner with some food-for-thought to back it up. Now I have to read up on the Mulford Act and GCA68. More reading!